Just curious because I had this happend to me in a tournament this weekend (13u). There is a runner at second base. There was then a wild pitch and on the wild pitch the ball found an opening in the back stop and went out of play. The ruling the umpire made was that he awarded the runner home plate and allowed him to score. I argued that third base was never occupided and therefore should only get third. He replied that he was almost there and that he was going to get third anyways on the pass ball therefore he would get awarded home. Was this the right call?
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I'll let someone else give you a definitive answer, but we discussed a similar situation earlier.

On a ground ball the 3B threw it out of the field of play. The runner on base is awarded 2 bases from the "time of the pitch."

My guess is it would be a similar situation, and the runner would be given 2 bases from the time of the pitch, but I want someone else to confirm that. There may be a difference in a pitched ball and a batted ball.
One base on a ball thrown out of play from the pitching rubber. And it's one base from the base occupied at the time of the pitch. Should have been awarded third, not home.
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Originally posted by P-Dog:
One base on a ball thrown out of play from the pitching rubber. And it's one base from the base occupied at the time of the pitch. Should have been awarded third, not home.

Correct. Remember this old adage: "One from the rubber, two from the field".
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Originally posted by bluezebra:
Correct. Remember this old adage: "One from the rubber, two from the field".

That make sense. Easy enough to remember.
Thanks for the reply that is what I thought. I tried to explain to him what you guys said but his arguement was that he was going to get third anyways and so he just gave him third even though it wasn't occupied. It was a good thing that run didn't cost me a game.
what happens in the case of a pickoff move. Let's say runner on first. Pitcher steps of and throws to first. One base or two? Does it matter if he stepped off or did a jump move? Is one considered on the rubber or are both off the rubber.
Thanks!
goMO
In theory once he steps off it's two. In practice, I usually see any pickoff throw which goes out of play resulting in a 1 base award, regardless of whether the throw came from the rubber or after a step-off. The rules specify "rubber", not mound, but it's frequently interpreted differently.
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Originally posted by P-Dog:
In theory once he steps off it's two. In practice, I usually see any pickoff throw which goes out of play resulting in a 1 base award, regardless of whether the throw came from the rubber or after a step-off. The rules specify "rubber", not mound, but it's frequently interpreted differently.

It's not "theory", it's by rule. Once the pitcher disengages from the pitcher's plate (rubber), he/she is no longer a pitcher but a fielder. The mound is just the elevated area upon which the rubber sits. If it's interpreted "differently", it's interpreted wrongly.
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So you would award 2 bases if the pitcher stepped off and then made a wild throw pickoff attempt but only 1 if he "stepped in the direction of the base" with post foot still on rubber?
That is the correct award under the rules. Like I said, don't be surprised if it doesn't actually happen that way, though...