Bottom 9. 1 out.
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
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Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
Bottom 9. 1 out.
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Yes. The last out was not a force out or made by the batter before reaching first base.
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
Bottom 9. 1 out.
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Yes. The last out was not a force out or made by the batter before reaching first base.
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by biggerpapi:
Bottom 9. 1 out.
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Runners on First and Third.
R1 runs with the pitch. Fly ball to Right Field.
Ball caught. R3 tags and scores before R1 gets doubled off first.
Does the run count?
Yes. The last out was not a force out or made by the batter before reaching first base.
Not a force play?
Originally Posted by Smitty28:
Not a force play?
Of course it's not a force play. A force out is when the runner is forced to leave the base because the batter became a runner and the NEXT base is touched before the runner gets there.
Returning to a base left too soon on a caught fly is an appeal play, and in this instance it's also a time play.
You can get an out on a force by touching the base, and you can get an out on an appeal by touching the base, but merely touching the base doesn't make it a force play.
Originally Posted by noumpere:
Originally Posted by Smitty28:
Not a force play?
Of course it's not a force play. A force out is when the runner is forced to leave the base because the batter became a runner and the NEXT base is touched before the runner gets there.
Returning to a base left too soon on a caught fly is an appeal play, and in this instance it's also a time play.
You can get an out on a force by touching the base, and you can get an out on an appeal by touching the base, but merely touching the base doesn't make it a force play.
Good explanation - thanks.
Smitty the way to look at it is a live ball appeal. This is a timing play and the run would count.
Originally Posted by Coach_Sampson:
Smitty the way to look at it is a live ball appeal. This is a timing play and the run would count.
Yes, I've always thought of a force out as a force play. The reference of this as an appeal makes a clear distinction.
Originally Posted by Smitty28:
Originally Posted by Coach_Sampson:
Smitty the way to look at it is a live ball appeal. This is a timing play and the run would count.
Yes, I've always thought of a force out as a force play. The reference of this as an appeal makes a clear distinction.
Note that appeals can also be force outs. Bases loaded, two outs, single scores two but R1 misses second in advancing to third. If the defense appeals for the third out, this out is a force out (R1 was forced to advance to second) and no runs count.
Originally Posted by Coach_Sampson:
Smitty the way to look at it is a live ball appeal. This is a timing play and the run would count.
Time play. Not timing.