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After 40 years behind the mask, you'd think I've seen it all, but something happened Sunday afternoon that I don't think I've ever seen before.

Runner on 3rd, 2 out and the count is 1-2. Pitcher is a tall lanky kid, who throws well, but is VERY slow in getting rid of the ball, and he's going from a windup. As soon as he starts his motion, I see the runner break for home. He runs straight thru the plate, and as his foot hits the plate, the pitch hits him in the back of the leg, just above the knee. Ball bounces away from catcher.

It took me a couple of seconds to run the various rules thru my head...so I'll stop here and wait for others to comment before I tell you what I called.
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Rule 6.05(n) in the MLB Rule Book states that a batter is out if "With two out, a runner on third base, and two strikes on the batter, the runner attempts to steal home on a legal pitch and the ball touches the runner in the strike zone. The umpire shall call "Strike Three," the batter is out and the run shall not count; before two are out, the umpire shall call "Strike Three," the ball is dead and the run counts.
I realize this is taking this to an extreme, but here is goes. What if the batter is very tall, and the runner stealing home is very short? Ball hitting the short runner just above the knee could be below the knee on the tall batter. Therefore out of the strike zone for the batter and runner is safe?
I have coached youth teams where there is a foot of height difference from tallest to shortest, so this scenario is not totally out of left field.
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Originally posted by MNFroshdad:
I realize this is taking this to an extreme, but here is goes. What if the batter is very tall, and the runner stealing home is very short? Ball hitting the short runner just above the knee could be below the knee on the tall batter. Therefore out of the strike zone for the batter and runner is safe?
I have coached youth teams where there is a foot of height difference from tallest to shortest, so this scenario is not totally out of left field.

Unless the pitch is strike three for the 3rd out (inning over, R3 does not score), the pitch counts, the ball is dead, R3 scores and all other runners move up one base.
To eastbaseball7: sorry, I know I'm new here, but I assumed since this website is called 'highschool baseball web' that we would be getting interpertations based on HS rules, not MLB.

To MNFroshdad: yes, there are frequently large hight differentials in youth baseball, but that's not part of the equation here. Let's assume the players were both of similar stature.

To dash_riprock: you obviously didn't read the scenario very closely...the count was 1-2 and there were 2 outs.

For the record, my call was "Strike three, dead ball". Inning over, no run.
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Originally posted by DECK:
To eastbaseball7: sorry, I know I'm new here, but I assumed since this website is called 'highschool baseball web' that we would be getting interpertations based on HS rules, not MLB.

To MNFroshdad: yes, there are frequently large hight differentials in youth baseball, but that's not part of the equation here. Let's assume the players were both of similar stature.

To dash_riprock: you obviously didn't read the scenario very closely...the count was 1-2 and there were 2 outs.

For the record, my call was "Strike three, dead ball". Inning over, no run.


Deck,
welcome to the HSBBW.....so a couple of things....yes when you post here you usually can expect that the Umpiring crew here will respond first with NFHS rulings....yet once we get to summer, the majority of the questions come from Youth OBR based leagues so we have to adapt.

Thats not a problem as most of us here are experienced with NFHS/OBR/NCAA rulesets....

Mnfroshdad posted an additional question to yours...and you find that we have to handle those mid thread as well......we dont only have to answer rules questions, but procedural ones as well...

If you will also notice Dash was responding to the alternate question from MNFroshdad, not your scenario, (notice the quote of the question)....you can learn a lot from Dash, but you have to read closely....

Good call by you on the play....

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