SAT and GPA min scores

PUHD,
I am not sure how it is done these days, but when son applied to the clearinghouse, at the bottom was a part that gave this information along with the sliding scale.
D1 eligible if xyz course completed and graduates. D2 and D3 eligible at this time, missing diploma.
However, the perameters have changed for eligibily.
Also at that time, coaches did take many players that were slightly above eligibility standards as they knew that they could pass them through, that has changed dramatically with the new NCAA rules.

Now if players do not remain eligible or fall behind (in graduation rate), schools can get penalties. Also years ago coaches signed players with fingers crossed they would be eligible come spring, I don't think that is a common practice these days. Coaches have better things to do than hope their players stay eligible each spring, there are too many good players out there with grades and show initiative to get the job done.
Two players side by side with same ability, one struggles in the class other one doesn't, who is more attractive?
As far as I know you can take the SAT/ACT as many times as you want whenever you want.

What TPM says about retaking the SAT/ACT is true. A college recruiting coach may ask a player to retake in his senior year to see if the score can be improved. The final elibility from NCAA often doesn't come until the Fall of a player's freshman year in college. Already on the field, practicing, trying out for the team, etc. With the new rules, the coaches may not want to hedge their bets that a student will be eligible in the fall and remain so until spring. And not take chances with a weak academic player. This is advice that should be really, really emphasized to freshman high school players right from the get-go. I sorely wish we had heeded this advice and stuck with it. In the end, son worked harder on his pitching and less on his academics and it did not bode well for him. The discipline to stay on track academically is just as important as staying on track athletically. Players just have to dig deep to accomplish both things well.

Newcomer, I feel your pain. My son let his grades drop sophomore and junior year. He is so so this year but I got on him about it. My best hope is he maintains the 2.8, but he could bring it up above 3.0 with a little work. I may have him retake SAT or we'll try the ACT. I tell you, anyone that says boys are easier to raise are telling a story.

In this day and age, you should focus much more on how high your son can get his grades and SAT scores, than what the minimums are. APR is a serious issue with most schools, and even if a coach can get a player into his program, unless he believes the player will be eligible in the FALL each year, he probably will take a pass on the player. Under the current NCAA eligibility rules, a player must be eligible in the FALL, which means they have to come out of the spring eligible, or take summer school classes to maintain eligibility. No more taking a lighter load in the spring, and then playing catch up in the fall; if you're not certified eligible in the fall, you're not playing in the spring.

Coaches are looking for good players who are GOOD STUDENTS now, more than ever before. Their scholarships depend on it, and their jobs do to a degree, as well. A 2.8-3.0 will get a player into quite a few schools still, but it will elminate him from consideration at a larger number of schools than ever before.

There is a reason that the word STUDENT comes first in the phrase Student-Athlete.

What kind of grades do you think they are looking at coming put of a junior college? 3.0-3.5? Just curious. I heard 3.0 from a JC will get you in to just about any of the UC, private schools(minus a few). anyone know?

Fanofgame, I've never spoken to a JC coach about this. The coach that recruited my son did not mention his criteria. He seemed more focused on his baseball ability. I would assume they also would like the higher GPA, as it makes their job easier. I can only assume he thought our son was too good a ball player to pass up.

PUHD,

I might not of worded it right, I mean what grades do they need leaving the JC to go to a 4 year?

fanofgame,
According to NCAA, you need the proper credits and GPA to be eligible, most coaches, depending on school, have their own set of criteria.

Yeah I was just curious, in Ca. the JC have this sheet called the IGETSE (SP?) anyway it gives you list of classes to take that gets you into just about any UC, state school and private.I imaging any thing over a 3.0 would get you to most schools.My son was a qualifier so has all the classes to get into 4 year already. 3 years foreign lang, 4 maths, 4 eng. etc etc. I was just curious.Unfortunately what happens to a lot of players at JC is they never see a counselor, or follow what they are supposed to take , they think their fine just taking 12 units of whatever. The coach even sends out what to do papers, telling them to seea counselor and make sure they have right classes.I dont know what they are thinking. Just for parents whos kids are going to JC make sure kids seeing a counselor.JMO

fan, very good idea, my son doesn't even know who HS HS counselor is.

Juco players need to be even more cognizant of strong academics than students matriculating from high school. I've talked to several college coaches who are beginning to shy away from recruiting juco transfers due to more frequent experience with them not being the strongest academic student-athletes in general.

One big pitfall for juco students is what fanofgame talks about, namely making sure you're eligible. I know more than one quality juco player who was set to transfer to quality NCAA programs who was subsequently found to be ineligible, and these players have come from some of the top jucos in California.

Perhaps some of juco hose coaches have placed excellence on the field way ahead of success in the classroom? I know for a fact that some are primarily concerned with keeping the player academically eligible for two years and not as concerned about what happens after that.

That can be true but I know many who couldn't go to a 4 year program out of HS and were able to improve their academic skills and successfuly transfered to 4 year programs. Good advice on coause selection and advice is the key to a successful transfer.

Another thing, I just found this out at a Ca. Jc anyway, a freshmen just has to be enrolled in 12 units, he doesnt even have to pass them in order to play in the spring, just be enrolled.Then I guess by spring of their sophmore year thay have to have passes a certain amt. of units. what message s that sending, and thats a school issue, not a coaches.
My son loves baseball and I support him in that but he wouldnt be on the field anywhere failing classes. No one should put all their eggs in to the baseball basket, its stupid. We always told our son 3.5 or above in Highschool and now holding him to pretty much the same standard.I agree that coaches should be involved, but when they hand you the papers telling you in a very layed out scenario how to be successful and tell you need to take 12 units of solid classes and tell you to see a counselor every single semester, come on guys, people cant continue to hold their hands. where are the families? dont parents work with their kids when they are at a JC to watch what classes they are taking. I was at a game this fall, it was a friday so my son who usually starts was in a lab class so he was going to play in the second game, one of the scouts who I have known for a while asked me where my son was, I said he has a Friday morning class and cant miss it at this time, (coach was good with it,) I was joking with this guy and said yeah were not holding our breath that son gets drafted. There were 5-6 proscouts sitting there, and one said to me thats refreshing becasue over half those kids out there are. Even the pro guys arent happy with kids having this mentality. That is the biggest down fall of JC ball from my standpoint. Many of the boys arent serious about school. As 06 catcher dad and many others have said its STUDENT athlete not athletic student.One injury andit could be over, need to have the education...

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Originally posted by fanofgame:
What kind of grades do you think they are looking at coming put of a junior college? 3.0-3.5? Just curious. I heard 3.0 from a JC will get you in to just about any of the UC, private schools(minus a few). anyone know?

The grades required to transfer depend more upon the program your son is transferring to and the classes taken. i.e. a 3.0 won't get your son into business school at Cal, however if your kid has a 4.0 in the the core business school classes....... Your son's counsler at the JC can give him a better idea of the grades needed for particular schools and programs.

I am just asking in gereralities. My own son is just starting his firstt season so we will see how everything goes. I will know a lot more in the Spring.

College coaches have fewer than 12 scholarships to field a team. They are VERY cautious of kids who don't do very well in high school, especially public school kids. If you cant pass in high school, how are you going to stay eligible in college with many more temptations, travel, early lifts, etc? Something to think about...best wishes to all, and stay on your kids about those grades. They are what are really important to begin with.

Unfortunately, you are right about grades, there appears to be an abundance of smart kids on this site who are good ballplayers so the colleges have no problem finding good students and athletes. So in a way not only are you competing on the field, in many cases what you take and how well you do in school plays a large part in recruiting.

I just spoke with a D1 coach in NY area about this topic. He has had difficulty with the APR and the formula that seems to work, and is used by his peers, is the 25% rule. If a student athlete can't get 25% of the tuition through academics they won't even extend a athletic scholarship. There is big pressure, especially this year, for APR compliance. His team has already been penalized and lost 1/2 scholarship.

Ozone, I would be surprised if 10 years from now son doesn't mention how he should have worked harder in school. I hope to live to see this day.