Since we seem to have newbies joining us as we head into the 2005 season let me ask them this

What do you think is the average baseball scholarship? There are rarely 100% deals and there are no cars involved

What do you think is the average ? Not what is a good scholarship but what is the AVERAGE scholarship in your mind going in--- after we see some ideas those of us who have been there can respond with fact.

I think there is a load of misconception out there

Keep in mind baseball is not football and basketball

This might make for some great coffee table chat
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I would guess in the range of 25 to 35 percent, with pitchers and shortstops at a higher level (mainly pitchers).
I think jemaz is right about the percentage, but the coaches will give the most money to the guys they want the most that particular year regardless of position. The guy could be a rightfielder, but if they feel he will hit 3rd or 4th and they really want him, they will give out the big scholarship to him.
Pitchers probably average 35-50 percent

Hitters (Nos. 3-5 hitters, perhaps lead-off man) 30-45 percent

Others 15-30 percent

With makes the probable average scholarship ... about 33 percent.

TR,
Most of us look as a good scholarhip as a high percentage. Coaches work in dollar amounts. So let's say XYZ university's tuition/room and board is 10,000, multiplied by 11.7 is 117,000.00 which he gives out in percentages. Add that to additional types of grants provided by the athletic department, etc., one can now figure out how he has 28+ players with only 11.7 scholarships. Take those kids that get state money for good grades(in our state it's bright futures), where they might get 100% tuition paid. Now the coach only needs to cover his room/board , so he tells the parents his baseball scholarship is 50%, sounds like alot, in reality it is only 50% based on what's left,room/board. So you may hear at one school everyone has a 50% scholarship, that may be the norm. They present it to you that way because it sounds real good. If they say we are giving you 100% (one full scholarship), it sounds even better. This happened to my son, an instate offer was close to 100%,but because he had earned his tuition to be paid 100%, they were only paying for his room\board (plus books), whereas an out of state offer, smaller percentage was worth more to us.
So with that in mind I couldn't even begin to guess the answer to your question.
To keep this as more an informational thing, we need to keep any and all financial aid out of it. Anything you get for grades, or income level, doesn't count.

Some schools scholarship blend, some don't. Tiger Paw Mom's point is valid when it comes to the final figure (coaches aren't the only ones who work in dollar amounts).

But the point here I'm guessing is to deal with the actual average percentage of athletic (and strictly athletic) scholarship, percentage off the 11.7.
Oldvaman,
With what I stated above, how can we actually figure what the average percentage might be when there are so many other factors involved in awarding a scholarship.
I didn't realize this until Bob mentioned it sometime well over a year ago. After that I really didn't pay much attention to percentages anymore.
But if we have to I will go with the 33%, Div 1
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At my son's school the scholarship is offered and discussed in terms of % of the 11.7 available. Academic money at our school actually counts AGAINST the 11.7, so its unavailable, unless it is a higher dollar amount than the scholarship (in which case ther is NO athletic \$ available!). I know of many schools that combine these amounts which gives those schools a huge advantage. There is also some kind of additional money available in Louisianna and Georgia, I think. Anyone know about that little perk?
The lottery in Florida (with similiar programs in LA & GA) funds in-state tuition (up to 100% of tuition only) for students who meet certain academic, testing, and community service levels.

In those states, coaches have the advantage of having 75% or 100% of tuition paid for solid academic ballplayers (oooo --- double bonus!) Should it be a player they're courting, they can add monies toward room and/or board.

If it's not an impact player, they've still got the advantage of a player who has motivation to stay at the school (or maybe just in-state).
Orlando- I assume this is only good for in-state students? Do these schools offer more \$ to out of state students who don't qualify for lottery \$ based on their home state?
I think that most coaches find it easier to deal in % as opposed to dollar amounts, as with tuition increases each year the percentage remains the same (assuming the scholarships are renewed). With a disucssion of this sort, I would assume that we are speking strictly baseball scolarship money. With that in mind, I would guess that 30% is very good and about the average amount.
Louisiana has something called TOPS, a state program that pays tuition for in-state students. I think they use tax money from drive-through Daquiri sales, casino gambling, legal prostitution and other tourist activities. Its my understanding they can combine that with baseball \$\$.
amom - Yes, the FL deal is for in-state students only, although I have vague memories of their being some reciprocal agreements out there for the LA one (does anybody know about that?).

As with any state, the out-of-state tuition is markedly higher. Coaches have told me that (to keep peace with the administration) out-of-state offers are generally made only to Serious Studs.

The system is an advantage for FL players and coaches (insofar as there is a lot of talent in the state and it stretches their budget), but it puts limitations on the chances of out-of-state players.
So the legalized prostitution is pretty much a tourist activity? And here we are with only theme parks.....
Good topic

I believe that most D1 colleges and Universities outside of the traditional "Top-40" don't fully fund the baseball slots.

Figure the average to be somewhere around 7.5 scholarship slots per institution and the number of players to be closer to 32. It will give you a better idea of the percentage which will be between 20-25 percent.
Regarding out of state players, some states have waivers for the out-of-state tuition based on a combination of high school grades, class rank, test scores and such that reduces the hit on the 11.7, if met. Out-of-state tuition counts extra by some factor of about 1.5, at least in LA.

So if a kid get a 75% out-of-state it cost the school something like 1.13 scholly's, obviously an effort to reduce the out of state numbers.
By the same token, when the out of state kid getting 75% qualifies for his tuition waiver, he qualifies for the lower tuition, lowering the % of scholarship, if it's applied mostly to tuition, reducing the teams hit against the 11.7, making the better student more valuable, and better off, in more ways than one.
I think prostitution is only legal in a few counties. Shirts appear to optional in New Orleans also.
Many if not most states now have some kind of automatic academic kick-in for grades and many have the ability to lower tuition. so, your results may vary.

But, to get back on topic, it is the percentage of purely baseball money awarded we are talking about.

Early in the process, there is the perception that our kids are going to get full scholarships to play baseball. Then we learn a little and we start talking about full rides.

Semantics? NO

Full scholarship: All the money comes from the baseball program and counts as 1 against the 11.7.

Full ride: All the money that doesn't have to be paid back when your're done. It can be academic, tuition waiver, state or federal grant, outside scholarship and baseball scholarship. Usually, you have to apply for financial aid to get a full ride.

Does the NCAA disclose the funded scholly numbers? My thought was that with 280+ D1 schools the fully funded schools would be in the 70% range. Does anyone have a place to look for this info?
Based on what I know at one state school, the range of pure baseball \$\$ is 15% or books, to 90% that I know of, and there may be a full ride or two. I think the coaches attempt to balance the out-of-pocket dollars across the team, however they can.

I think the point to take away, and i'm repeating here, if it works for you, that's what matters and baseball money is just part of the puzzle. Anything above 30% is above average.
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Does the NCAA disclose the funded scholly numbers? My thought was that with 280+ D1 schools the fully funded schools would be in the 70% range. Does anyone have a place to look for this info?

Take out the Ivy's and the Patriot League before you even start. Then look at places like Duke University (ACC) which only funds 5. Northeastern funds 8.5. Maryland in the ACC is 8.7

I'm sure that there are other examples, but thats 3 pretty big named programs. Once you get down to the MEAC, Big South, Atlantic 10, etc etc where most of the schools are, the numbers will be smaller.

Maybe 70% of the Top-40 programs are fully funded.
As another example, when the University of South Dakota announced that they were disbanning the baseball program there, that the move would affect 38 student athletes, impact \$100,000 from the University budget and eliminate 2.5 scholarships total.

Not what you call a "high dollar" operation.
Instead of guess and estimating, I went and looked it up (yeah it does exist, but it's buried information).

Last year in D1, based on the reporting numbers of 286 teams, the average squad size was 33.6 members. On the average athletic aid was offered to 26.0 of these students and the total scholarship amount awarded was equivalent to 9.8 FT Scholarship slots.

Obviously, when you are dealing with the NCAA and money, scholarships then the only place to look for the information is in the Gender Equity reports.
Division 2: (Based on 227 schools reporting)

5.2 average # of scholarships broken over 20.3 players on a roster averaging 32.6 players

Since you can tell more about a school from the size of the football program, here are the D1 numbers broken down by if the program is 1A, 1AA or 1-AAA. 1-AAA do not have football programs.

Class, #Teams, #Funded, #Awards, Roster
1-A,103,11.5,29.7,36.4
1-AA,104,8.3,23.9,32.6
1-AAA,75,9.3,23.7,31.1