Scholarship Money

there is no money being thrown around---each situation is player specific

What do you think the average for most recruits is?

Welcome Johnnyb,

It is all across the board. If you do a search on this site, there is a poll on the dollar amounts. Small sample though and the interpretation of "full ride" was debatable (some thought it was tuition only).

I have heard of schools that "tier" their scholarships with less to Freshmen and more to Seniors.

Typically, the guys "up the middle" get more than other players.

Pitchers typically get the most.

But not always.

You may already know this, but for D1, if a college is fully funded, they can award 11.7 scholarships. 25% is the minimum, with a maximum 27 players on athletic scholarship. Some teams have 35 players, so several/many are not getting athletic money. Not all schools are fully funded.

"Full rides" are rare, (although I do know one). There are lots of posts recently about this.

The "average" is probably somewhere around 62%.....that's halfway between the minimum amount of 25% and a full 100%. Other than that, there's almost no way to get a true "average"....there are just too many variables....from returning players to projectibility to grades to.....well, you get the idea.

^^^ I disagree, Buckeye. The "average" would be around 43%. If there are 11.7 scholarships that can be awarded to 27 players, that if it were divvied up evenly, that would be 43%. A 62% scholly would be VERY good....not average.

You didn't specify D1 or D2. D2 only has 9 full to give out, so the percentage will be less.

There's no way that it's as high as 62%.

If 27 players on a fully-funded DI roster have to receive 25%, that leaves only 4.25 scholarships to be spread around to those who receive more than the minimum 25%. If the 27 shared the 11.7 scholarships equally (which, of course, they don't), everyone would receive 43%.

I'll leave it to those more current than I to update what I'm about to write; but, I've always carried around a rule-of-thumb that position players tend to receive between 25% and 50%, active relievers would receive something above 50%, and starting pitchers somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%.

However, just as obviously, it depends upon the program, the composition of the roster, and whether or not the program were fully funded to gain a better, more specific feel.

The best thing to do is to speak directly with recruiters about their program's scholarship characteristics, assuming that the program is relevant to the player's playing abilities and academic standing.

Edit: Apologies to keewart for repeating his/her comments. Evidently, we were typing simultaneously.

Starting Seniors/Starting Juniors

SP = 90%
C = 80%
SS = 75%
PWR = 60%
CF = 50%
RP = 25%
2b = 25%
RF/LF = 25%
1b = 25%

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Originally posted by Bear:
Starting Seniors/Starting Juniors

SP = 90%
C = 80%
SS = 75%
PWR = 60%
CF = 50%
RP = 25%
2b = 25%
RF/LF = 25%
1b = 25%

Based on those numbers, with 4 SP's and 3 RP's, you'd come up with 12.75 scholarships...so those are nowhere near close because it doesn't account for any bench players.

Every school is different. If you talk to Augie Garrido at Texas, he spends all his money on pitching. He has so many kids that want to play at Texas, he doesn't have to give out scholarships to position players.

Anyone that gets a 50% scholarship in baseball is doing really well for themselves. Some will get more, a lot will get less. It all depends on how much the coach wants you and what he thinks it will take to keep you from going elsewhere.

There are so many variables in the situation, averages really aren't of much value.

Prepster,

Does North Carolina for instance, choosing a school at random here, award 75% for those that they think will be starting pitchers?

I don't think things are as organized as all starting pitchers getting this or that. I know it's not that way at my son's school. Sometimes a stud may get more than EVERYONE else. A guy might become a starting pitcher who was not projected as such when he was first recruited and he may lag behind in scholarship money. There are literally thousands of scenerios for dividing the money and I don't think one can say anything is normal from one school to the next. I have heard of a closer having the largest scholarship on a college team because he was a starter when he was recruited.

Coaches award large scholarships often to keep top prospects out of the draft or to not sign with another program.

The key word is top prospect. Pitchers get the lions share.

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Originally posted by keewart:
^^^ I disagree, Buckeye. The "average" would be around 43%. If there are 11.7 scholarships that can be awarded to 27 players, that if it were divvied up evenly, that would be 43%. A 62% scholly would be VERY good....not average.

Thanks....always stunk at math.....

I hope this will be seen as a related question, and not a hijack...do the players usually get the same amount each year? Or put another way, how often does that amount get changed after the first year? I mean, can a player safely assume that if he starts with a 43 percenter that he will keep it all 4 years?

I thought of that question due to the reference to academic scholarships, which may be 4 year with objective/specific criteria to maintain at the original level.

Prepster holds the key. The math says that 43% is the average if fully funded...11.7/27=43.333. Then you can throw in your variables of position on field, pitcher, catcher and whether there is any money that is eligible to be combined. My son is an INF. If he gets over 43% from a school, I consider it a good offer based on his role on the team and not being a pitcher. Some schools can then add need-based or academic money to increase the overall offer. Full cost of attendance athletic scholarships in D1 are rare and those players (likely pitchers) may not see college.

IMHO...

I think the concept of average doesn't apply. There are too many other variables that really determine the money. As mentioned earlier, pitchers and players up the middle get more. Also a JR/SR weekend starter is likely going to get more than the freshman bullpen guy.

My son was fortunate enough to get 50% of his tuition covered through an academic scholarship (which the recruiting coordinator got approved without us even having to apply). The 40% of tuition for baseball wasn't bad either . Of course, they stick it to you on room and board freshman year, but I ain't complaining because I would have had to pay that anyway.

-cvj

Do coaches consider if a recruit is out-of-state and give a higher percentage to off set the higher tuition versus an in-state recruit who would owe less tuition?

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Originally posted by CH10Dad:
Do coaches consider if a recruit is out-of-state and give a higher percentage to off set the higher tuition versus an in-state recruit who would owe less tuition?

Things vary from school to school, but personally I have never encountered a program that does not do this and that includes ACC, Big East and Pac 12 programs.

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Originally posted by CH10Dad:
Do coaches consider if a recruit is out-of-state and give a higher percentage to off set the higher tuition versus an in-state recruit who would owe less tuition?

If the coach wants a player badly enough, he will do what he can to make it affordable for the player and family. In state or out of state.

Living in FL son had his tution paid for by our Bright Futures program. Because of this, his out of state scholarship was enough to lure him away from the bigger D1 programs that offered.

Jemaz & TPM,

Thanks for the insights! A glimmer of hope because every target school on my son's list is out of statewith high tuition!

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Originally posted by CH10Dad:
Jemaz & TPM,

Thanks for the insights! A glimmer of hope because every target school on my son's list is out of statewith high tuition!

Glad to be helpful. Keep in mind that this is not the case for every player (or every school). It depends on how much the school/coach needs him. And, of course, for private schools, basic tuition is the same for everyone.

I have found that the colleges make their offers with various pots of money available. My son was able to get more academic money than athletic. He signed his NLI with an offer of nearly 60%, but most of that came from academic money. This D1 school does not "stack" academic and athletic so he did better with his academic money. The funds, whether they are academic, athletic, or need-based, are there to help a coach build a team. If they want you, they will find a way to help financially.