Scoring question.. who is charged the earned runs?

Any inherited runners that score are charged to the P that allowed them to reach base. Any subsequent runs that score are charged to the new P that entered the game. So in your scenario 1 run would be charged to P1 and 3 runs would be charged to P2.

^^^ case closed

I'm just basically repeating what adbono said, just a little more explanation as I'd score it.

Pitcher 1:  1 run:  Double guy only (other runner he was responsible for out during attempted double play)

Pitcher 2:  3 runs:  (Fielders choice guy safe at first (can’t assume 2 so no error), Single and homer.

thats what i thought... but it was scored 2 runs, 2 runs.   pitcher 1 was responsible for second runner even though the runner he was responsible for was forced out.  fielders choice benefited pitcher 2. 

As you probably know, the strategy is to reconstruct the inning without the errors and determine how many runs would score, giving the benefit of doubt to the pitcher.  The 1st pitcher is responsible for any runners on base when he departs the game.  The thing that most miss is that if an inherited runner is replaced by a fielder's choice, that new runner is also charged to the 1st pitcher.

So, in this case, Batter A reached on double.  Batter B reaches on error.  Pitching change, so 1st pitcher is responsible for these two runners, but the runner who reached on error can never be an earned run.  The scorer has to decide whether the runner on 2B would have advanced to third base without the error, and use this determination in reconstructing the inning.

The ground ball /missed double play is nothing more than a fielder's choice for scoring purposes. You cannot assume the double play, and no error is charged here unless a runner advances to another base due to the bad throw.  The runner who scored on that play is an earned run charged to 1st pitcher, unless the scorer has determined that he would have stayed on 2B on the previous play without the error.  (This will become irrelevant with the home run, and his run will them be earned.)  The runner who reached first base here replaces the runner put out on the fielder's choice and is thus still the responsibility of the 1st pitcher, BUT, that other runner reached on an error, so this next runner is also counted as RoE for scoring purposes.

At this point, without errors, there would be two outs, and either a run in or a runner still on third base.

The runner who hits the next single and the home-run hitter are the responsibility of pitcher #2.

Therefore pitcher #1 is charged with 2 Runs and only 1 Earned Run, and pitcher #2 is charged with 2 Earned Runs. 

I think ...

Here's the actual rule support:

Are you sure they gave error?   I’ve seen numerous plays I would have easily given error but was not.  

@GloFisher posted:

Pitcher starts the inning and gives up a double.. the runner advances to 3rd on an error.  Pitcher hits the next batter.  New pitcher enters the game with 2 inherited runners (1st and 3rd).  new pitcher induces a double play ball.... runner out at 2nd but the throw is low and the runner at first is safe.  the runner from third scores. the next batter singles and the runner from 1st advances to 3rd.  the next batter homers.  how many runs are charged to pitcher 1 and how many to pitcher 2?

My answer is; Jordy let your son down......Your son is pitching great man!

@T_Thomas posted:

The thing that most miss is that if an inherited runner is replaced by a fielder's choice, that new runner is also charged to the 1st pitcher.

I learned something new today.

@johnlanza posted:

I learned something new today.

I did too.

@T_Thomas posted:

Here's the actual rule support:

Love it when explanations supported by facts and documentation!  thanks for this.

That is the reason why i Posted the question... I didn't realize that the fielder's choice would revert to the original pitcher...  thank you everyone for your responses... learning something new all the time. 

What if the runner on 3rd scores on a wild pitch from the relief pitcher?

@anotherparent posted:

What if the runner on 3rd scores on a wild pitch from the relief pitcher?

If you mean the original batter who doubled off of Pitcher #1, this run would still be charged as an earned run to Pitcher #1.

There has been a lot of discussion about this on some of the online forums, but basically the rules treat the wild pitch the same as if it had come from the pitcher who let the runner on base.  This can at times seem a bit unfair to that first pitcher, but that's the only decision the rule supports.

For scoring purposes, the relief pitcher throwing a wild pitch is no different than if the relief pitcher had given up a hit to allow the run to score.

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