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”Your Marshall joke mechanics may cause less injury”
Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it I used to think may also.
I’m sorry this subject breaks you down in this way, I wish it were different.
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“but a lot of pitchers may be injured less if they threw the ball this way”
Proper force application is important! Improper mechanics cause injury not velocity or pitch counts.
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“because it is NOT EFFECTIVE at producing a HIGH VELOCITY throw”
Yet 14 of the last 22 Div1 scholarships we’ve earned the pitcher was above 90 mph and one of them (last year) is touching 100 mph, pretty EFFECTIVE if you ask me.
How would you know anyways if you do not directly experience it?
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”They don't work”
Yet they have and do!
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(BTW you would also be less injured if you sat on the couch and did nothing)
Not true, I consider atrophy and injury in athletes.
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“It may produce no injuries (this is not a fact BTW, I'm just parroting what you guys say - I don't really believe it will cause even LESS injury)”
Nobody is asking you to blindly believe it, Just to try it! I’ve tried it and it not only causes no injuries other than muscle taxation but actually cures the already injured through increased blood flow. from a non injurious mechanic.
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“but you will never be as efficient at throwing the ball hard as you would if you threw it the "traditional" way”
I believe we are throwing the end of the middle finger even faster!
Pronation is a faster mechanic than supination.
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”Risk / reward”
We say reward.
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“If you want to every have a chance”
This is an understatement
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”Guys like N y m a n have just done a better job at explaining the theory behind what happens in a high level "traditional" throw.”
The problem is they never explain the mechanism of injury because they want to protect their investments and past words and teachings on record.
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“Guys like Wolforth have done a great job at developing pitchers and using these theories”
I love Wolforths enthusiasm and effort, none better but that force application technique is more of the same thing that everybody puts out, nothing new.
In my area of SoCal there has already been significant year ending injuries using these mechanics with HS and College pitchers.
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“Guys like Jeager have done a great job at helping pitchers with programs that create arm speed necessary at throwing the ball with high velocity.”
Velocity is genetic and has little to do with what Jaeger does!
Is it his belief that everybody can throw above 85 ?
He teaches the same mechanics as the preceding gentlemen.
Can you name 5 pitchers he has worked with that have broken down? One of them has not pitched in 2 years.
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“House has done a lot of good work developing pitchers with his techniques”
House has been practicing out here for 20 years and still produces many injuries with his clients, more of the same, no actual changes and he has tried everything accept the right things.
Do you know why ASMI does not mention the names of their elite pitchers group they use to compare mechanics? I know
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”Throwing a baseball is not a natural act”
Throwing a baseball is a completely Natural act well within the full range of motion that joint articulations can produce even up where we get. You must have believed the person that told you this and because I have been hearing this nonsense for 40 years makes me believe it came from people whom could not figure this stuff out like me.
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“Doing a hundred times a game sure as heck isn't a safe way to take care of your arm”‘Doing that 20 or 30 times a year is even less conducive to a healthy arm.’
I agree if you are talking about the traditional pitching motion but if you are talking about a non injurious motion nothing would stop you from throwing 300 every other day 365 days a year making the excuse of pitch counts ludicrous.
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“But it is what you do if you want to play the game and pitch at the highest level”
This is what has been done and with disastrous results!
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”So you can go on and on like you always do in every thread”
I only enter threads where injuries and mechanics are talked about and usually when some gross yard myth is being presented as fact or someone is not getting helpful information. I will continue to do so as long as Julie gives me the privilege to do so!
I believe protecting children is the main focus here for me not professionals.
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“I see you guys post in and claim less injury”
Where, I’m the only one west of the east talking about it?
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“that these mechanics have never been given a fair chance”
I can see by your words if you had the chance, would not hand the ball to one of these pitchers nor would you let them advance, been there, experienced that making your comment a bit confusing and self prophetic.
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“continue on endless rants”
Rantsters seem to not make much sense and usually put their foot in their mouths many times through their lengthy tirades much to the consternation of the rantized.
I’ve tried to give only information that helps and that has actually been tested, I can only tell you what has happened.
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“with your so called "scientific" nonsense”
Ah, a scienfobe, no wonder, look ranting about this will only make you come off as primitive minded and I don’t want to see you make this mistake because you might become a father one day and have to look in to this for him.
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”But the fact remains”
facts are the realm of the past not the future. There has been many past and present MLBers who rate high on the MTS. Besides I only care about youth through HS players. Pro’s can do what ever they want.
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“there isn't anyone who will make it to the MLB throwing the way you teach them”
Yet this has already happened and you have no idea what I teach them.
Besides this is HSBW
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“Maybe not even college, It doesn't work.”
Emphasis on maybe would be prudent here, my Div1 guys won 10 games last week
Works for them.
There is only 3 full Crowstep pitchers performing in College right now trained by Marshall, all had low velocity and could not make a College team before being helped by Marshall, One of them Sam Bucannon won his first game last week but how would you possibly know that, you are disconnected from what we are doing.
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“ I feel sorry for all the parents and kids”
They feel sorry for the Batters!
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“who are duped into throwing the way you teach them with your scare tactics”
Our pitches are scary, but I wouldn’t say the way I teach them is pulling any wool over their participation eyes being that most are x-baseball participants themselves.
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“They waste years that they will never get back working on your mechanics”
We produced 55 million in contracts with 2 draft picks last year; I would say they are getting back plenty with these mechanics.
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“only to find out they are NOT capable enough to continue playing because of the way they throw, What a shame.”
Where do you pick up this false thinking, you need to quit parroting what others have said without knowing and use your own mind for critical thinking, I’m sure you are capable of it with just a little effort.
The shame is every time one of you tear jerkers lets go with negative sophomoric comments when dealing with these injuries you ensure the information gets muddied
down and ill received by those that need it most, concerned parents and youth athletes.
Now tell us what any of the prating you just went through has to do with a sore Brachialis?
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that's a good one. That's all you do with your mile long posts...anyways.... 
