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I'm trying to get an answer on a specific swing trait.... when I look at the overhead view of Pete Rose at www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html I think I see what my son's hitting coach would call "hook barrel". He looks like he stays connected forever. I don't see this in other clips (Chipper Jones for example). My son's instructor preaches getting extended on the follow thru toward the pitcher... which i see in most MLB clips. Right or wrong??
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Major league baseball's track record of developing hitters is atrocious......Yet, they develop the best in the world.

How can it be both?


I'll preface my comments by saying that I like much of what Linear brings to the table regarding pure swing mechanics, and I've learned to turn a deaf ear to the rest of the nonsense.
I use the term "pure swing mechanics" because IMO there's often a significant difference between what we see in the cage and what we see on the field.
I'd suggest that if Linear and his guru were to venture out and witness minor league hitters in a practice environment, they'd probably have a very difficult time picking out the guys who will succeed at a higher level. Other than the few really elite talents, the herd starts to bunch up more and more as you climb the ladder. I'd suggest that in pro ball, there are few hitters that are not pretty solid mechanically.
In football, we marvel when a guy like Tom Brady or Joe Montana comes along and, despite not fitting the physical model we all want, he succeeds like a mother.I've come to believe very strongly that the athletes who succeed at the highest level are the ones whose brain is able to process information well enough (slow down the action)so that their physical talents can succeed at that level.
I think this is true for every level of competition...from HS to college..college to pro.
In baseball hitting, this manifests itself in a player's ability to adjust to that "better" curveball..that fastball with a little more cheese and movement. It shows up in the ability to recognize pitches he can and cannot hit well.
In other words, how often does a hitter give himself the opportunity to put that grooved swing on the right pitch?
Unfortunately, this ability is not quantifiable, and the only way of determining it is to play the game.
Hence...the 50 round player draft and the layers of minor league ball.
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Originally posted by rbinaz:
I'd suggest that if Linear and his guru were to venture out and witness minor league hitters in a practice environment, they'd probably have a very difficult time picking out the guys who will succeed at a higher level...


And neither can mlb baseball so what does this prove?

However, if you sent me video clips of 100 hitters I bet I can tell you which ones won't make it without a significant change in their swing.

And, if you sent me those hitters I could define a good swing to them, suggest what they are doing wrong and what has to change and why.

The others fall into your mental category.

What percentage is which, I don't know. But I'm quite sure it's a large percentage that struggle with mechanics.
WOW! I ask a little question, tune out for a day and look what happens. I sure didn't expect to start all this...

There was a reference to a video clip of McGwire's swing and another a video clip of Chipper Jones, but the only clips I saw were those in the message just above MN-Mom. Is there a part of this site where those clips are kept that I've missed?

As to Linear's question re the 3 clips, they appear pretty much the same to me...aren't they all the same person? Maybe I need to see a clip of someone with an exaggerated version of a "long through the zone" swing.

I appreciate the input of all who actually attempted to answer the question...

MN-Mom: Hi! How's Joe doing?
The clips raise the question with me stride/no-stride... I'm becoming more and more convinced that no-stride is the way to go..especially for younger kids .We see no drop in batspeed, in fact increases when done correctly. Many of our kids work no stride in the off-season then tend to go back to a short stride in game conditions.

Clips at www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html
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We have two hitting off the tee and one hitting off front side soft toss (it looks like) Would like to see all three off the tee for ideal comparison. I like #2 the best, but would guess linear might like #3 the best because it appears he gets the "most" rotation.

But to answer the question --- They all have a chance!
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