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Older son is pitcher, off to college...I appreciated all the help back then.
Next son is currently a HS catcher and my areas of confusion have expanded!

This past weekend there was a tie game, bases loaded, no outs situation. Little chopper hit to pitcher, my son (14 year old catcher) sets up on home to make the force out, turns to throw to first base for the second out, but gets wiped out by the sliding baserunner. My son had already made the out at home and stepped towards the mound to throw to first. The slide was high and about a foot in front of home plate and, fortunately, caught my son in the catcher's knee-savers or he would have had metal spikes in the backs of his calves! My son was NOT standing on home plate. When our coach questioned the interference (not to mention the dirty play) the umpire said that since my son was in the field of play, and a slide to home can be anywhere within an arm's reach of home plate (when sliding to avoid a tag, which I don't feel was the case since he went straight into the catcher) that it was a legal slide. Hmmmm.....

I remember a college point of emphasis that doesn't allow a catcher to set up in the basepath, blocking home plate, unless he receives the ball. This protects the sliding baserunner. Is there a similar rule protecting catchers from a dangerous slide when his back is turned? I'm thinking this was a judgement call by the ump...who used poor judgement. Hopefully it will never happen again.

Thank goodness for those knee-savers! I never thought of them as body armor before!

Last question...Should parents just chalk this up as an isolated incident, or should incidents like these be reported? I feel the coach should be the one to voice concerns to the tournament, but does it really do any good? Are you reporting the umpire or a team that uses dirty tactics? The opposing coach LOUDLY praised his baserunner for "breaking up the play" as my son slowly rose to his feet and made sure all his body parts were still functioning! Thank goodness he was OK. His neck was sore that night, probably from the impact and from bouncing off the ground when his feet were knocked out from under him. How will I ever get used to a son who's a catcher? Don't tell me that in real baseball you bean the next batter. I don't want to believe that youth baseball could ever come to that. Besides....the bases were loaded in a tie game!
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Your situation depends on what code you are palying with. If you are using Fed rules then umpire was incorrect. In Fed you have to slide at the base or away from the play on a force. If your son was on the base then he is fair game for a legal slide. A high slide is illegal if it is at or above the knee. If your son's kneesavers are in the proper place then he was hit on the lower part of his leg.
If you are playing on some OBR based system you need to know if they are using a FPSR. Many legion leagues do, as does many travel ball systems. There are some where the being able to touch the base is legal.
If your son is going to catch then get used to seeing him knocked down. My son catches and he gets beat up regularly, both by sliding runners and by pitches. He also does karate and skateboards so he is used to being beat up. Big Grin
Sorry to show my ignorance, but I didn't really understand your answer. This tournament was local and didn't follow bat restrictions (didn't require a -3 for U15 division) so I don't know what "code" was applicable. I'll ask our coach. Probably just followed the rules of the rec comm that operates the facility. In that case, I would imagine the rules would be more restrictive since this is primarily a recreational sports facility and it was a fall tournament...very laid back, till the score is close and the coaches get heated!

My son has a 19-year-old brother, so he's used to being "toughened up" throughout his young life. He also handles the abuse of catching very well and is proud of his assorted bruises, as only a catcher can appreciate. I just don't want him hurt when the play seems dangerous, maybe even illegal. Perhaps I'm just being too much of a parent and alls well that ends well?
KC simply put there are different rules and the UMP calls the game based on the rules he is working with. He explained it and unless you have a copy of the rule show he is wrong then you don't have a leg to stand on.
Catching is a dangerour position and over the years I have senn a few cathchers knocked cold and taken to the hospital. They were playing American League rules which allowed full contact but no trying to injure the catcher. This is a judjement call by the UMP. In one case the runner was tossed from the tournament and then was allowed to play as the UMP didn't realize it was AL rules.
Our catcher was ready for the hits but the other guy wasn't. To me the coach was at fault for not preparing his catcher to be ready for hits.
Other tounaments you had to slide and avoid contact.
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As stated this all depends on the rules set you are playing under.

Since this is a HS site, MST and I usually always defer to what is called "FED" rules.....FED is slang for NFHS which is the National Federation of High Schools whose rules govern 90% of all High School baseball. The NFHS rules are different in many ways from the other rules sets being used by youth, travel or summer leagues.

Under NFHS rules, the umpire in your sons game would have been wrong as MST stated due to attempting to take out the catcher is against the FED rule that slides have to be at the base....

I am assuming that your game was played under one of the codes that is based on OBR. OBR is Official Baseball Rules....there are a multiude of codes that are based on OBR but have local or league specific rules that overide strict OBR. In that case MST is correct in needing to know if there was a "FPSR"....which is a force play slide rule....it is a FED rule but has wide adoption in youth leagues.......many have the slide or avoid contact version....

Rarely do I see a youth league that allows strict OBR which would allow taking out a fielder to break up a double play.......

Difficult to say with out knowing what rules set you were under........Hope your son is ok. I know I would have had a problem with the runner going out into the field of play to take out the catcher........

Those of us who call games from OBR based youth leagues HS, Legion and NCAA/ NAIA deal with this all the time........

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