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Everyone doesnt live convenient to an indoor facility... and I get there are certain things young men can do to "simulate" throwing. But there is nothing like really throwing off a mound, to batters or even across a diamond.

I already feel that a lot of 15-16 year olds throw too much in a competitive way in the first week of practice; and I am apprehensive about what we are going to see with a very limited preseason, going right into battle. Already way too many breaking balls in the high school game.

I get how to limit throwing, and more importantly to SCHEDULE off day work. However I don't think it is a widely embraced concern. Am not lumping everyone in the same category; but I just see a lack of understanding how to work up to arm strength and maximize throwing potential...

Am speaking mostly about HS teams - maybe more importantly JV level players.

Remember now - there are a lot of great players who play football and basketball as well.

Thoughts?

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pitchout:  I certainly understand weather, and the convenience of indoor facilities playing a major role in being able to throw in the off season in an effort to being "game ready" when the rush to start HS baseball begins.  Add to that, the player who plays basketball, and is limited in additional available time, and it just compounds the challenge.

 

I have always said that pitching (IMO not the same for position players so much) has to be trained for 12 months, not necessarily pitching from a mound, or even throwing for that matter, although I am not sure that long times off from throwing are that necessary, and there is a distinction from throwing to keep the arm in shape, versus pitching from an elevated mound.

 

If a player just cannot report to HS practice on day 1 with his arm in throwing shape, then at best, he should not be put into a potential injury prone situation too early prior to the build up.  That would likely mean missing innings on the mound early in the season.  It is the player's responsibility to advise the coach when he feels his arm is in shape enough to begin pitching competitive.

 

The other option is for players to focus on being strictly a position player where the strain on the arm is much less....not everyone can be a pitcher, especially if they through no fault of their own cannot be game ready early.  You are correct, the HS season has become a mad rush leading up to competitive games, and add to that delays encountered due to weather, and it gets more difficult.  IMO - athletes who wish to be pitchers, have to be ready at the start of the season, there just is not enough time for the build up once the season begins.  At our HS, there was all of 1.5 weeks before scrimmages started.  No way would I have allowed my son to pitch early in the season, in cool temperatures, if his arm was not in full baseball shape on day one. 

it's the players responsibility to be ready to go the first day of tryouts.  If basketball makes it impossible for you to get ready then drop baseball or basketball, otherwise find a way to make it work. My 2016 works out all year in every sport he participates in (baseball, basketball, football) as well as band and getting great grades in school.  It's important to be efficient in your workouts and to value your athletic work above TV, video games, and hanging with friends. This week my son will participate in pitching/catching practice before school two days, play in the pep band for his HS hockey team appearance at state, lift weights two hours every day,  play two basketball games, have a private trombone lesson, spend all day saturday in an honors jazz band program, spend one night in a dome working on baseball, spend part of sunday in a pitching/hitting/catching program (real batting practice with a live pitcher, catcher, and umpire), long snapping (football), catching drills, and batting practice with me in a batting cage at our local dome, as well as preparing for finals. Although the activities will vary week to week this is fairly normal for my son as well as his multisport friends.  You have the season that has past, the season your in, and the upcomming season.  You train each, all of the time.

Pitchou31, I don't believe we're that far off.  After fall ball my son didn't work on pitching, instead he spent the late fall - early winter working on his catching skills.  He would do some work in the batting cage weekly, but that's something he likes to do.  His weight lifting was part rehab (non-throwing shoulder dislocation), part strength training since he wasn't cleared to play basketball until way after the school season started.  Pitching work started in mid January in preparation of mid-March tryouts.Although he's doing work on his own (coaches can't participate in pre-season work), his pitching routine is something he developed with his pitching coach.  He does some live batting work on Sunday's (he's throwing 30 pitches now, and then catches a bit).  He'll probably stretch that out this Sunday (45 pitches) and then be ready for tryouts.  The only difference with the multi-sport athlete is that they need to keep in touch with their other sports too.  After HS baseball starts there's summer ball as well as football to get ready for; football camps, strength training, position group as well as getting ready for basketball in the winter (10000 shot program over the summer).  It's a lot of work but if organized in an efficient manner it can be fun and still afford plenty of time for other things.

Was just something to get a little feedback on... I just was thinking with the weather challenges of being ready and then not throwing for 10 days due to weather, is a more serious issue than most HS programs are equipped to address properly? Looks like our school may jump into a scrimmage Monday where kids will be kids and overthrow where they haven't really gotten in throwing shape yet at all IMHO. How many people have been able to have allegiance to their long toss program... or able to get inside even when it was hard to even drive somewhere? I am taling about 8,9,10 graders primarily... and also I mentioned the multi sport athlete? lot os kids have just come off the hardwood... especially pitcher types.

What's your point?

 

Guess you do not attend

 

WB, GF, NR or GBC?

 

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Kids don't throw enough as it is nowadays...quick story, we have a FB player that playes baseball with us in the spring...he didn't attend any of our work outs in the winter and just showed up for tryouts in late FEB...first bullpen of maybe 20-25 pitches, he was sore for 4-5 days afterwards...that's lack of throwing.

 

Even if it rains like it's been lately (actually feels like it's been raining/snowing since December...LOL), we still throw indoors to keep arms conditioned.

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