Sorry bball dad,......but twisting the facts will not help your cause.
Steinmetz High School was found to have cheated and their state championship title was subsequently awarded to Whitney Young....and yes a movie was made about this episode in the schools history.
The Academic Decathlon Team have been longtime champions of the Academic Decathlon (USAD); It was in 1995 that the Whitney Young team was beaten by the team from Steinmetz High School who had obtained a copy of the test in advance. This was dramatized in the movie Cheaters.
Whitney Young has been the winner of the City Academic Decathlon 24 out of the last 27 years (beaten by Northside College Preparatory High School in 2003), state champion for 22 of the last 23 years, and finished in the top five nationally for 14 of the last 16 years. The coaches are Mr. Brian Tennison and Mrs. Susan McCannon, two teachers known for their unwavering dedication to the team and its competitive excellence. Every year that the Academic Decathlon team goes to the National Finals, the school holds a pep rally in support of the team.
Admission to Whitney Young is granted based on entrance exams and middle school grades, and is open to all residents of Chicago. The school draws applicants from throughout the country and more than 14,000 elementary students applied and competed for the 425 spots in the 2006/2007 freshman class. Admission to Whitney Young is often compared to be as rigorous as gaining acceptance to a top university like Harvard, Yale or Stanford. 99% of Whitney Young students go on to college, and graduating seniors average a 26.5 on their ACT scores. Two students last year scored a perfect 1600 on the SAT exam.
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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." ~ John Lennon
quote:Originally posted by mark ormond:
For the record, this was the 21st straight year for Whitney Young to be the Champions of the Illinois State Decathlon.
What would be the percentage of schools that enter this contest based upon IHSA membership? I can't think of any school in Southern Illinois that sends anyone to a competition such as this. Is this a Chicago area contest? I don't know and so, I'm asking. (Please keep in mind that when I say "Southern Illinois," I'm talking further south than I-80.) With regards to academics, various parts of the state focus on different activites. For example in my part of the state Model United Nations is huge. I can't think of any "decathlon teams" but every HS in our area has a Model U.N. team. Certainly not as active but present is the "Scholar Bowl." This is yet another academic participation option that's participation varies throughout the state. Finally, participation in any "out of state" activity doesn't necessairly represent "the best." Often, and I don't know in your case, it represents many different things including financial gain to those putting on such a contest. BTW, good luck to those representing your HS.
Please understand my "skewed view" of those things involving #1 in the state. I once coached a team that was pretty good but couldn't break that #1 ranking in the state because they weren't from Chicago. Well, they did eventually get that ranking by going 40-0. They also won the National Legion Title and so, they were pretty good even if they, "didn't play anyone."
Mark, I'm struggling with this some. I've gone to the IHSA website and have looked for Academic Decathlon but can't seem to find it as an IHSA event. Scholar Bowl of which I spoke earlier is listed along with Drama etc. However, no Decathlon is listed. Obviously, since there is a "State Title," I must be overlooking something in either my search or understanding of this sanctioned event.
Forget Paradise; They Are Studying!
Luaus? Volcanoes? Leis? It all had to wait as El Camino crammed for the national decathlon finals in Hawaii.
From April 28, 2007 ~ The Los Angeles Times
Since arriving here earlier this week, teams competing in the National Academic Decathlon in Waikiki have snorkled, hiked, visited Pearl Harbor, played Ultimate Frisbee under the stars, shopped, taken dinner cruises, hung out — all the things you'd expect a group of teenagers to do on what is, for many, their first trip to Hawaii.
But the eight students from El Camino Real High School in Woodland Hills, who arrived Monday, have opted for a different Hawaiian experience. Each morning, they have risen at 6 a.m. and studied or taken part in the competition until 10 p.m. Then they have gone to sleep.
"It's nice to see the view from our window occasionally," said an only slightly wistful Sam Farahmand, a gangly member of the team known for his dry wit.
The odds-on favorite in the competition, El Camino's team is gunning for a record-tying fifth national title at this annual Super Bowl of brains, which this year has teams from 39 states.
"I think 'focus' is the key word with these kids," said Cliff Ker, the Academic Decathlon coordinator for the Los Angeles Unified School District. "They know exactly what they need to do, and they're doing it."
What is it about Los Angeles schools and the Academic Decathlon?
In recent years, L.A. Unified has come to practically own the Academic Decathlon. Since 1987, when Marshall High School fielded the first district team to win the decathlon, teams from Los Angeles have won eight more national championships, including the last three in a row, two by El Camino and one by Taft High.
"They have always told us that it is more competitive ... at the L.A. city championships than the nationals," said Teresa Luna, the coach from Madison Academic High School in Jackson, Tenn. "It's like football in Texas."
And as in football, these students have had their game faces on.
On Thursday, when the teams dressed up for their official portraits, there were lots of boys in dress shirts and khakis, and lots of girls in demure dresses.
Then El Camino showed up, looking like the team from the FBI. The five girls and three boys all wore black or dark navy suits and dead-serious expressions. When the photographer, Michael Kelling, asked them to act goofy for one final shot, the students just stared at him.
"Boy, this is a fun group, isn't it?" Kelling said.
Even the team's two coaches, Lissa Gregorio and Liz Johnson, seemed to sense that the students needed to loosen up. "We've got to get them out of these suits," Johnson said.
The thaw ended late Friday after the Super Quiz, the final competitive event and the only one open to the public. El Camino didn't win it, largely for technical reasons. (The Super Quiz is the only event that tallies scores from all nine contestants on a team, and El Camino has only eight, one student having quit earlier in the school year.)
Still, despite the handicap, El Camino placed third, missing only one of the 40 questions the team was asked on this year's Super Quiz topic, climatology. Gregorio said that was a better showing than she had expected and augured well for the final results, which will be announced this afternoon after scores from all events are tallied.
"If this is any indication ... we're sitting in a good position right now," she said.
With the hard part past them, the El Camino students turned giddy, hugging and laughing and high-fiving. Asked about her plans for the night, the normally talkative Shengya Cao smiled wearily. "Relax. Food. Eat." As an afterthought, she added, "Enjoy Hawaii."
Since the beginning of the National Academic Decathlon in 1982, the event has been dominated by two states: California and Texas. California teams have won 13 national titles; Texas, 11. The only other state to win a title is Wisconsin, with a sole victory in 2002.
Those who follow the decathlon say there are three reasons why California schools in general, and Los Angeles schools in particular, do so well. California has the largest high schools in the country, giving each school a big pool of talent. It also has the most schools, so teams that rise to the top have to defeat many rivals.
The state's reputation as a decathlon powerhouse has raised the event's profile, making more students want to participate. And, finally, some districts, especially L.A. Unified, decided early on to make the decathlon a priority and put far more resources into it than their counterparts in other states.
L.A. Unified has a full-time decathlon coordinator and offers stipends for coaches that are the equivalent of what some athletic coaches receive — roughly $4,700 per team per year. The decision to offer coaches extra pay "institutionalized it as much as being head football coach or head baseball coach," said David Tokofsky, a school board member who coached the 1987 Marshall team.
Los Angeles schools are also allowed to offer Academic Decathlon as an elective course, which is not the case everywhere. That gives students an extra hour a day to devote to the team. Still, the teams do most of their studying after school, and it can be an all-consuming pursuit. El Camino's team begins studying in July, and at the start of the school year the students stay every day until 5 p.m. Then, each month, they raise the time commitment until, by January, they are studying five days a week until 10 p.m. and putting in at least an eight-hour day every Saturday.
"We tell their parents, 'We're borrowing them for nine months, and at the end of it, they'll come back newborn kids,' " Gregorio said.
Some have questioned the district's priorities, wondering how it can devote so much attention to the Academic Decathlon when many of its schools are struggling to get their students to graduate. But Ker said he believed that the decathlon is important because it shows what Los Angeles schools can accomplish if they try and because it sends a message to students that academics count.
"There are many people in the district who are tired of getting knocked around for the failures that various people perceive, and after a while, you begin to think that what you're doing is futile," Ker said. "But when that team in 1987 won the national championship, it gave everyone ... a shot of confidence that we could do incredible things."
Academic Decathlon teams win competitions based on overall team point totals, accumulated in a grueling series of speeches, student interviews and academic tests — which include math, social science, language and literature, art, economics and music. Many of the questions had to do with this year's main theme, China. Point totals in statewide competitions offer a way to informally rank teams entering the national championships, because the test material is the same from state to state.
El Camino entered the national showdown with the highest point total from its state competition: 50,486. The next highest-scoring competitor, Waukesha West High School of Waukesha, Wis., had 49,226, a respectable showing but lower than the scores of El Camino's top three statewide competitors, Granada Hills Charter High, Moorpark High and North Hollywood High.
El Camino came to Hawaii expecting a tough challenge from Waukesha, which won the national title in 2002, and from Whitney Young who took first place in the Super Quiz; Waukesha, WI tied for second.
Most teams enter the competition knowing they have no chance at the title. There are teams competing that won their state titles with scores that are less than half what the top teams earned. Some can compete for Division II or Division III titles, which go to smaller schools. But they are no more likely to win the overall national title than a minor league baseball team is to beat the Yankees in the World Series.
"California has that tradition and that pride going for them, and everybody else pretty much concedes to them," said Debbye Reed, who coaches the Madison Central High School team from Madison, Miss., a school of 1,300 that won last year's Division II national championship and finished seventh overall.
Some competitors resent California's dominance. An online message board devoted to the Academic Decathlon is full of people rooting for Anybody But El Camino Real. "Nothing against them personally, very strong school, very strong team, but it would be a nightmare come true if they won," one student wrote.
But Reed said she admires the commitment that California districts have made to the competition.
"They know how to do it," she said. "As an educator, it's fun to watch that."
mitchell.landsberg@latimes.com
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"You won't get anything unless you have the vision to imagine it." ~ John Lennon
Luaus? Volcanoes? Leis? It all had to wait as El Camino crammed for the national decathlon finals in Hawaii.
From April 28, 2007 ~ The Los Angeles Times
Since arriving here earlier this week, teams competing in the National Academic Decathlon in Waikiki have snorkled, hiked, visited Pearl Harbor, played Ultimate Frisbee under the stars, shopped, taken dinner cruises, hung out — all the things you'd expect a group of teenagers to do on what is, for many, their first trip to Hawaii.
But the eight students from El Camino Real High School in Woodland Hills, who arrived Monday, have opted for a different Hawaiian experience. Each morning, they have risen at 6 a.m. and studied or taken part in the competition until 10 p.m. Then they have gone to sleep.
"It's nice to see the view from our window occasionally," said an only slightly wistful Sam Farahmand, a gangly member of the team known for his dry wit.
The odds-on favorite in the competition, El Camino's team is gunning for a record-tying fifth national title at this annual Super Bowl of brains, which this year has teams from 39 states.
"I think 'focus' is the key word with these kids," said Cliff Ker, the Academic Decathlon coordinator for the Los Angeles Unified School District. "They know exactly what they need to do, and they're doing it."
What is it about Los Angeles schools and the Academic Decathlon?
In recent years, L.A. Unified has come to practically own the Academic Decathlon. Since 1987, when Marshall High School fielded the first district team to win the decathlon, teams from Los Angeles have won eight more national championships, including the last three in a row, two by El Camino and one by Taft High.
"They have always told us that it is more competitive ... at the L.A. city championships than the nationals," said Teresa Luna, the coach from Madison Academic High School in Jackson, Tenn. "It's like football in Texas."
And as in football, these students have had their game faces on.
On Thursday, when the teams dressed up for their official portraits, there were lots of boys in dress shirts and khakis, and lots of girls in demure dresses.
Then El Camino showed up, looking like the team from the FBI. The five girls and three boys all wore black or dark navy suits and dead-serious expressions. When the photographer, Michael Kelling, asked them to act goofy for one final shot, the students just stared at him.
"Boy, this is a fun group, isn't it?" Kelling said.
Even the team's two coaches, Lissa Gregorio and Liz Johnson, seemed to sense that the students needed to loosen up. "We've got to get them out of these suits," Johnson said.
The thaw ended late Friday after the Super Quiz, the final competitive event and the only one open to the public. El Camino didn't win it, largely for technical reasons. (The Super Quiz is the only event that tallies scores from all nine contestants on a team, and El Camino has only eight, one student having quit earlier in the school year.)
Still, despite the handicap, El Camino placed third, missing only one of the 40 questions the team was asked on this year's Super Quiz topic, climatology. Gregorio said that was a better showing than she had expected and augured well for the final results, which will be announced this afternoon after scores from all events are tallied.
"If this is any indication ... we're sitting in a good position right now," she said.
With the hard part past them, the El Camino students turned giddy, hugging and laughing and high-fiving. Asked about her plans for the night, the normally talkative Shengya Cao smiled wearily. "Relax. Food. Eat." As an afterthought, she added, "Enjoy Hawaii."
Since the beginning of the National Academic Decathlon in 1982, the event has been dominated by two states: California and Texas. California teams have won 13 national titles; Texas, 11. The only other state to win a title is Wisconsin, with a sole victory in 2002.
Those who follow the decathlon say there are three reasons why California schools in general, and Los Angeles schools in particular, do so well. California has the largest high schools in the country, giving each school a big pool of talent. It also has the most schools, so teams that rise to the top have to defeat many rivals.
The state's reputation as a decathlon powerhouse has raised the event's profile, making more students want to participate. And, finally, some districts, especially L.A. Unified, decided early on to make the decathlon a priority and put far more resources into it than their counterparts in other states.
L.A. Unified has a full-time decathlon coordinator and offers stipends for coaches that are the equivalent of what some athletic coaches receive — roughly $4,700 per team per year. The decision to offer coaches extra pay "institutionalized it as much as being head football coach or head baseball coach," said David Tokofsky, a school board member who coached the 1987 Marshall team.
Los Angeles schools are also allowed to offer Academic Decathlon as an elective course, which is not the case everywhere. That gives students an extra hour a day to devote to the team. Still, the teams do most of their studying after school, and it can be an all-consuming pursuit. El Camino's team begins studying in July, and at the start of the school year the students stay every day until 5 p.m. Then, each month, they raise the time commitment until, by January, they are studying five days a week until 10 p.m. and putting in at least an eight-hour day every Saturday.
"We tell their parents, 'We're borrowing them for nine months, and at the end of it, they'll come back newborn kids,' " Gregorio said.
Some have questioned the district's priorities, wondering how it can devote so much attention to the Academic Decathlon when many of its schools are struggling to get their students to graduate. But Ker said he believed that the decathlon is important because it shows what Los Angeles schools can accomplish if they try and because it sends a message to students that academics count.
"There are many people in the district who are tired of getting knocked around for the failures that various people perceive, and after a while, you begin to think that what you're doing is futile," Ker said. "But when that team in 1987 won the national championship, it gave everyone ... a shot of confidence that we could do incredible things."
Academic Decathlon teams win competitions based on overall team point totals, accumulated in a grueling series of speeches, student interviews and academic tests — which include math, social science, language and literature, art, economics and music. Many of the questions had to do with this year's main theme, China. Point totals in statewide competitions offer a way to informally rank teams entering the national championships, because the test material is the same from state to state.
El Camino entered the national showdown with the highest point total from its state competition: 50,486. The next highest-scoring competitor, Waukesha West High School of Waukesha, Wis., had 49,226, a respectable showing but lower than the scores of El Camino's top three statewide competitors, Granada Hills Charter High, Moorpark High and North Hollywood High.
El Camino came to Hawaii expecting a tough challenge from Waukesha, which won the national title in 2002, and from Whitney Young who took first place in the Super Quiz; Waukesha, WI tied for second.
Most teams enter the competition knowing they have no chance at the title. There are teams competing that won their state titles with scores that are less than half what the top teams earned. Some can compete for Division II or Division III titles, which go to smaller schools. But they are no more likely to win the overall national title than a minor league baseball team is to beat the Yankees in the World Series.
"California has that tradition and that pride going for them, and everybody else pretty much concedes to them," said Debbye Reed, who coaches the Madison Central High School team from Madison, Miss., a school of 1,300 that won last year's Division II national championship and finished seventh overall.
Some competitors resent California's dominance. An online message board devoted to the Academic Decathlon is full of people rooting for Anybody But El Camino Real. "Nothing against them personally, very strong school, very strong team, but it would be a nightmare come true if they won," one student wrote.
But Reed said she admires the commitment that California districts have made to the competition.
"They know how to do it," she said. "As an educator, it's fun to watch that."
mitchell.landsberg@latimes.com
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"You won't get anything unless you have the vision to imagine it." ~ John Lennon
Mark,
Again, good luck to your students. It appears that they've been given a great opportunity. Also, having now researched the organization, it appears that while they are a non-profit organization which claim 39 states represented, they are not representative of any state's educational system. At $82 a resource guide, $10 for any single lesson, $275 for a set of practice tests ... it seems as if your school has forked out some money.
For anyone that wants to read on this organization:
Academic Decathlon
Again, any info on that State Title would be appreciated.
Again, good luck to your students. It appears that they've been given a great opportunity. Also, having now researched the organization, it appears that while they are a non-profit organization which claim 39 states represented, they are not representative of any state's educational system. At $82 a resource guide, $10 for any single lesson, $275 for a set of practice tests ... it seems as if your school has forked out some money.
For anyone that wants to read on this organization:
Academic Decathlon
Again, any info on that State Title would be appreciated.
Give credit where credit is due.......I suggest you stop trying to tear down what has been accomplished by so many. This is one of the most renowned urban high schools in the country.
The facts speak for themselves.
"God Is A Concept By Which We Measure Our Pain" ~ John Lennon 1972
The facts speak for themselves.
"God Is A Concept By Which We Measure Our Pain" ~ John Lennon 1972
1. this thread is Sophmore Scores, started by what appears a So. player? I'd rather go back to discussing the merits of reporting such details rather that MO telling us all what is.
2. why dont we start an I'm a pompass fool thread, so that all who are interested in pounding their chests in front of everybody can do that there.
3. why does WYMS get applications from all over the country if enrollment is only available to Chicago residents?
4. Please MO, give us the link to your clubber site so we call read what you have to say about travel bb?
2. why dont we start an I'm a pompass fool thread, so that all who are interested in pounding their chests in front of everybody can do that there.
3. why does WYMS get applications from all over the country if enrollment is only available to Chicago residents?
4. Please MO, give us the link to your clubber site so we call read what you have to say about travel bb?
A sophomore team from one school played a team from another school yesterday. Both teams tried hard, the parents had a cookout. Both coaches worked on developing some promising talent. I saw hit and runs, squeeze plays, a great catch, timely hitting, questionable umpiring, a bunch of moms and dads with smiles because they were watching their kids play ball after working hard all week. It was fun, fun, fun.
So glad you had plenty of Beach Boy's fun in the sun.......Fun, Fun, Fun!!!
But where did that sunshine feeling go for you? There is no need to go off and get crazy on us! It's only rock and roll! So lighten up!
A big part of the game is trying to keep your emotions under control.
But I know that for some it can be oh so hard. It is easy to sit behind a computer with an anonymous name and flame people. There is way too much of that on this board. Perhaps you need a Johnny Walker to calm yourself down.
Whitney Young IS on the map and draws attention from accross the country because of its outstanding faculty, administration and because it has a long track record of accomplishment. That is why this school can attract such talent which reflects the diversity of an evolving city. This school has many extremely talented students that are drawn from accross what is the third largest urban city in the United States.
So it is not by luck or some fluke or by accident that Los Angeles and Chicago can field top academic teams which are competing for recognition on a national level. Does this make those families who invest in the tradition of Whitney Young elitists? It is certainly not the first time that someone from the Whitney Young family has been referred to as an elitist.
Because Young is a public school anyone can apply. All that is needed is to establish residency in Chicago.
Think......Kevin Garnet and Farragut High School.
Take the time to chill before you flame out.
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The place where you come from is a small town
They think so small
They use small words
-but not me
Im smarter than that
I worked it out
Ive been stretching my mouth
To let those big words come right out
I've had enough, Im getting out
To the city, the big big city
Ill be a big noise with all the big boys
Theres so much stuff I will own
And I will pray to a big god
As I kneel in the big church
Big Time
Ive got to make it show yeah
Big Time
So much larger than life
Big Time
Peter Gabriel
But where did that sunshine feeling go for you? There is no need to go off and get crazy on us! It's only rock and roll! So lighten up!
A big part of the game is trying to keep your emotions under control.
But I know that for some it can be oh so hard. It is easy to sit behind a computer with an anonymous name and flame people. There is way too much of that on this board. Perhaps you need a Johnny Walker to calm yourself down. Whitney Young IS on the map and draws attention from accross the country because of its outstanding faculty, administration and because it has a long track record of accomplishment. That is why this school can attract such talent which reflects the diversity of an evolving city. This school has many extremely talented students that are drawn from accross what is the third largest urban city in the United States.
So it is not by luck or some fluke or by accident that Los Angeles and Chicago can field top academic teams which are competing for recognition on a national level. Does this make those families who invest in the tradition of Whitney Young elitists? It is certainly not the first time that someone from the Whitney Young family has been referred to as an elitist.
Because Young is a public school anyone can apply. All that is needed is to establish residency in Chicago.
Think......Kevin Garnet and Farragut High School.
Take the time to chill before you flame out.
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The place where you come from is a small town
They think so small
They use small words
-but not me
Im smarter than that
I worked it out
Ive been stretching my mouth
To let those big words come right out
I've had enough, Im getting out
To the city, the big big city
Ill be a big noise with all the big boys
Theres so much stuff I will own
And I will pray to a big god
As I kneel in the big church
Big Time
Ive got to make it show yeah
Big Time
So much larger than life
Big Time
Peter Gabriel
I am sure everyone as i am, is happy for you and your WY bretheren. So your telling us that a family in Topeka might say hey, why dont we apply to said school and if said child gets then lets move and establish residency. Please. Now, even i am sucked into your nonsense.
Sophomore team A beat Sophomore team b 2-1. In the nitecap the scores were reversed.
Sophomore team A beat Sophomore team b 2-1. In the nitecap the scores were reversed.
To those High School baseball guys in this thread who just love seeing the numbers and wanted the Whitney Young statistics as proof of what was stated. Here they are........Please remember that the operative and key words in the title of this web site is 'HIGH SCHOOL'.....that implies that an education is the goal and is being received.
So if you wanted the stats, here are the most recent statistics. To be clear, there were no illusions or exageration. So Moderator, please do your job and refrain from lashing out and flaming without the facts.
Because Whitney Young also has a Junior High program the statistics are being provided for that program as well.
The Top Junior High and High Schools in the six-county region ~ coyright Chicago Tribune ~ 2007
Rankings from the Illinois Standards Achievement Test and Prairie State Achievement Exam are based on a school's combined test scores.
Area schools with best overall 2004 ISAT results
Not all schools include all grade levels that were tested (3,4,5,7,8).
Ranked by percentage of test scores that met or exceeded state standards
SCHOOL-CITY GRADES TESTED* PCT
Whitney Young Magnet High Chicago 7,8 100%
Edison Elem. Reg. Gifted Cntr. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.7%
Lenart Elem. Reg. Gifted Cntr. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.5%
Keller Elem. Gifted Magnet Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.1% Edgebrook Elem. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 98.5%
Taft High School Chicago 7,8 97.7%
Forest Hills Elem. Western Springs 3,4,5 96.7%
Brook Forest Elem. Oak Brook 3,4,5 96.5%
Oak Elem. Hinsdale 3,4,5 96.1%
Lincoln Elem. River Forest 3,4 95.1%
* Grades not tested do not exist at school. not tested do not exist at school.
Area schools with best overall 2004 PSAE results
Students in 11th grade took the Prairie State Achievement Exam.
Ranked by percentage of test scores that met or exceeded state standards
SCHOOL CITY PCT
Northside College Prep. Chicago 98.9%
Whitney Young Magnet Chicago 94.9%
Payton College Prep. Chicago 94.1%
New Trier Township Winnetka 90%
Deerfield Deerfield 87.9%
Naperville Central Naperville 87%
Glenbrook North Northbrook 87%
Stevenson Lincolnshire 86.5%
Hinsdale Central Hinsdale 85%
Libertyville Libertyville 84.1%
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
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"You won't get anything unless you have the vision to imagine it." ~ John Lennon
So if you wanted the stats, here are the most recent statistics. To be clear, there were no illusions or exageration. So Moderator, please do your job and refrain from lashing out and flaming without the facts.
Because Whitney Young also has a Junior High program the statistics are being provided for that program as well.
The Top Junior High and High Schools in the six-county region ~ coyright Chicago Tribune ~ 2007
Rankings from the Illinois Standards Achievement Test and Prairie State Achievement Exam are based on a school's combined test scores.
Area schools with best overall 2004 ISAT results
Not all schools include all grade levels that were tested (3,4,5,7,8).
Ranked by percentage of test scores that met or exceeded state standards
SCHOOL-CITY GRADES TESTED* PCT
Whitney Young Magnet High Chicago 7,8 100%
Edison Elem. Reg. Gifted Cntr. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.7%
Lenart Elem. Reg. Gifted Cntr. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.5%
Keller Elem. Gifted Magnet Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 99.1% Edgebrook Elem. Chicago 3,4,5,7,8 98.5%
Taft High School Chicago 7,8 97.7%
Forest Hills Elem. Western Springs 3,4,5 96.7%
Brook Forest Elem. Oak Brook 3,4,5 96.5%
Oak Elem. Hinsdale 3,4,5 96.1%
Lincoln Elem. River Forest 3,4 95.1%
* Grades not tested do not exist at school. not tested do not exist at school.
Area schools with best overall 2004 PSAE results
Students in 11th grade took the Prairie State Achievement Exam.
Ranked by percentage of test scores that met or exceeded state standards
SCHOOL CITY PCT
Northside College Prep. Chicago 98.9%
Whitney Young Magnet Chicago 94.9%
Payton College Prep. Chicago 94.1%
New Trier Township Winnetka 90%
Deerfield Deerfield 87.9%
Naperville Central Naperville 87%
Glenbrook North Northbrook 87%
Stevenson Lincolnshire 86.5%
Hinsdale Central Hinsdale 85%
Libertyville Libertyville 84.1%
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
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"You won't get anything unless you have the vision to imagine it." ~ John Lennon
Sorry Coacb B ,but why did you get him started?
Okay Mark I concede. Your son is the best player on the best sophmore team at the best high school in the world. He'll go on to have a great career in the big leagues. And when he retires from baseball, he'll go on to be a captain of industry. And all the kids who didnt go to Young or were not members of the NHS will never go on to accomplish anything.
Thankfully, without a dog in this fight, I've got to say that this thread has gone from a simple no-brainer to a dissertation about academics by an over-the-top promoter who would do Don King or Vince McMahon proud.
What is the exact point of all of this academic information being posted here ? Everybody ( parents and students alike ) in the chicago area pretty much understands you have to be a brainy smart student that tests well and gets excellent grades to get into a school like a whitney young or a northside prep. That doesnt necessarily mean that kids that attend and graduate from said schools will do better in the game of life than a kid that graduates from a Simeon , Taft , St Pats , Notre Dame , etc , etc.
I know plenty of smart high school students that are outstanding young men that get good grades but just dont test well for whatever reason. Based on those test scores , they would not get into whitney or northside , but ya know what ? ...they wouldnt want to go there anyway . Those " types " of schools are not for everyone . Some kids just dont want to be bogged down in books until one a.m. every nite and i cant blame them . Im sure there are more than a few kids who also transfer out of these schools after realizing its not for them .
I know plenty of smart high school students that are outstanding young men that get good grades but just dont test well for whatever reason. Based on those test scores , they would not get into whitney or northside , but ya know what ? ...they wouldnt want to go there anyway . Those " types " of schools are not for everyone . Some kids just dont want to be bogged down in books until one a.m. every nite and i cant blame them . Im sure there are more than a few kids who also transfer out of these schools after realizing its not for them .
the poor kids head that started this thread has got to be spinning.
Mark appears to be somewhat smart like, I would imagine, many of the students at Whitney Young High School. However, he is an outstanding example of someone who, while appearing to be somewhat smart, has absolutely no people skills.
He is the type of person that, in my former job, we would have locked up in some lab to run experiments (because we can all see from his posts that he is quite through and very persistent, which is great if you are a scientist) and never allow him to communicate with anyone because he would just pi$$ everyone off if he opened his mouth and ruin an otherwise successful project.
I would much rather have(and do have) a child who is quite good academically but possesses people skills. Mark is doing a good job of showing us all what not to be as a person.
He is the type of person that, in my former job, we would have locked up in some lab to run experiments (because we can all see from his posts that he is quite through and very persistent, which is great if you are a scientist) and never allow him to communicate with anyone because he would just pi$$ everyone off if he opened his mouth and ruin an otherwise successful project.
I would much rather have(and do have) a child who is quite good academically but possesses people skills. Mark is doing a good job of showing us all what not to be as a person.
Thanks Rosy...you hit the nail on the head.
To the rest of you, if you don't like it don't read it. You certainly can choose to promote the high school programs you are involved with similarly. It's a new world and a new day. Hopefully we are helping drive clicks and advertising revenue for the web site owner because this is a great web site.
Dave, you are absolutely right this school is not for everyone and attending at Young gurantees no more than what the individual wants to put into it, just like at Notre Dame, Ignatius, Fenwick, etc. The Class of 2009 is a mighty talented group and will be fun to watch once every one is advanced to the Varsity level. It is my opinion that with the talent that will reside in that program in the coming two years they might go deeper than any previous team from Young.
Only time will tell.
It's back to baseball tomorrow.
Best regards!
To the rest of you, if you don't like it don't read it. You certainly can choose to promote the high school programs you are involved with similarly. It's a new world and a new day. Hopefully we are helping drive clicks and advertising revenue for the web site owner because this is a great web site.
Dave, you are absolutely right this school is not for everyone and attending at Young gurantees no more than what the individual wants to put into it, just like at Notre Dame, Ignatius, Fenwick, etc. The Class of 2009 is a mighty talented group and will be fun to watch once every one is advanced to the Varsity level. It is my opinion that with the talent that will reside in that program in the coming two years they might go deeper than any previous team from Young.
Only time will tell.
It's back to baseball tomorrow.
Best regards!
quote:Originally posted by Stage Dad 9:
Sorry Coacb B ,but why did you get him started?
I was just having some fun and seeking knowledge.
A state title was mentioned. I had never heard of such and so went to investigate. Fact? Mark states he states fact and so I stated that perhaps my search was wrong or I was not able to investigate this event further. There was no "tearing down of anyone. There was a request for knowledge since I am ignorant. Ironically, this turns into anything but a mention of said state title. The implication being that the school is being attacked. Personally I did no such thing and, in fact, wished those members of that "team" well. Makes one wonder why the defensive nature of following posts. I did explain my defensive posture when one states claims of "state" when most of the state is not involved. Mark take a deep breath. It's far too easy to push your buttons. Apparently I did so without even trying. Again, my interst started as someone totally ignorant about this sitatuion and simply wanted to know more.
Edited--I will again state that I wish those kids well. I have a kid as well. Is she this type of material? Who knows and I don't care. Pretty good kid. A lot of people think she is a player. Can't post any stat of hers. Must be a bad parent. However, honor roll and currently writing a paper on the physic of the baseball swing for her science class in 8th grade. Not bad for a start. She gets her brains and looks from her Mom.
Mark,what is your point in the promotion of your son's school? Did the school's administration ask you to? Cause it seems to me that Young was doing pretty well in the 30 years before you got there.
I just have to say something.
Whitney Young is allowed to take the cream of the crop and only the cream of the crop. They better darn well be at the top of the lists.
Now if they were an ordinary urban HS achieving these things, then you'd have something to write home about.
If other districts could tell kids who are not high achievers they couldn't attend their school, they would do pretty darned well.
Whitney Young is allowed to take the cream of the crop and only the cream of the crop. They better darn well be at the top of the lists.
Now if they were an ordinary urban HS achieving these things, then you'd have something to write home about.
If other districts could tell kids who are not high achievers they couldn't attend their school, they would do pretty darned well.
No one asked me to do anything.
I immensely respect what is going on at this school. Dr. Joyce Kenner is at the helm of this school and is one of the most gifted educators I have ever met. She is a huge supporter of high school athletics and is on the IHSA Board. I am sure that every parent with a kid at this school recognizes the unique environment and experience that is being gained. Yet many of us are pushing for more. Maybe it is in the water, but that is the kind of environment this school develops and inspires.
There is no time to look back at what has been accomplished. Each year the bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. The individuals who have graduated and moved on are making their mark beyond being at Young. It is time for those who are there to make their mark and to move forward before it is their turn to pass the baton. Time passes quickly. It is hard to believe that 2 years have nearly passed.
There are many very active parents at Young. I happen to be active in those activities that my son participates in. Anyone who has crossed my path in the last seven years of my involvment with Illinois youth baseball knows that I am not a wallflower. Our programs have positively impacted many players and I am watching many high school programs with great interest to see how all of those who spent time in our system will do. I see great things happening for all, and am following with interest those players who are now at at Rice, Simeon, Lakeview, Guerrin, Marist, St. Rita, Ignatius, Lockport, Oak Park, St. Joe's, The University of Chicago Lab School, Quigley, Niles North, New Trier, Northside Prep, Parker or Young and I am rooting them all on. We also have players who are playing at high schools out of state in Florida, Arizona and Iowa. However, make no mistake about it..... when it is our turn to face your team I hope we kick some butt!
There are over 80 different clubs and activities for a student (and parent) to become involved in and support. With a student body of nearly 2,000 the school is always on the go and seems to never shut down. My son is involved with the baseball and basketball programs and those are the programs I have chosen to allocate my time.
I immensely respect what is going on at this school. Dr. Joyce Kenner is at the helm of this school and is one of the most gifted educators I have ever met. She is a huge supporter of high school athletics and is on the IHSA Board. I am sure that every parent with a kid at this school recognizes the unique environment and experience that is being gained. Yet many of us are pushing for more. Maybe it is in the water, but that is the kind of environment this school develops and inspires.
There is no time to look back at what has been accomplished. Each year the bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. The individuals who have graduated and moved on are making their mark beyond being at Young. It is time for those who are there to make their mark and to move forward before it is their turn to pass the baton. Time passes quickly. It is hard to believe that 2 years have nearly passed.
There are many very active parents at Young. I happen to be active in those activities that my son participates in. Anyone who has crossed my path in the last seven years of my involvment with Illinois youth baseball knows that I am not a wallflower. Our programs have positively impacted many players and I am watching many high school programs with great interest to see how all of those who spent time in our system will do. I see great things happening for all, and am following with interest those players who are now at at Rice, Simeon, Lakeview, Guerrin, Marist, St. Rita, Ignatius, Lockport, Oak Park, St. Joe's, The University of Chicago Lab School, Quigley, Niles North, New Trier, Northside Prep, Parker or Young and I am rooting them all on. We also have players who are playing at high schools out of state in Florida, Arizona and Iowa. However, make no mistake about it..... when it is our turn to face your team I hope we kick some butt!
There are over 80 different clubs and activities for a student (and parent) to become involved in and support. With a student body of nearly 2,000 the school is always on the go and seems to never shut down. My son is involved with the baseball and basketball programs and those are the programs I have chosen to allocate my time.
I wish to apologize to everyone. I made an inquiry about a state title that I'd never heard of and isn't an IHSA event. I did so through ignorance. I didn't intend for this to turn into something else. Again, I apologize.
Hopefully this will turn back into a thread about baseball. If not, then...
Hopefully this will turn back into a thread about baseball. If not, then...
Mark, show the class the Clubber website. Is the page detailing your differences with your competion still up? Let's see the other side of the coin so we all can make a fair conclusion on your sincerity.
Tralpaz, you have a PM
For what its worth...Ive heard thru the grapevine that any talk about marks clubbers website is pretty much taboo on here .
I'm going to give us a timeout here. I don't want this to get nasty!