Team puts on a suicide squeeze. Count 2-1. 1 out. Batter tips ball foul and catcher catches it, and tags runner. Is the runner out?
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If the foul tip meets the definition of a foul tip, and the tag indeed is made prior to R3 touching HP, then yes the runner is out, 2-2 on the batter, 2 outs.
Many thanks, that's what I thought.
A legal foul tip is badly named because it is treated just like it was never touched. Because of this runners are allowed to advance but conversely they can also be tagged out.
Umpires are always thinking - or, atleast should be. Trying to stay on top of the game that's being played. So, good umpires know that, among other things, the ball is either "dead", "live" or, "delayed dead".
A foul ball is, of course, a dead ball. A foul "tip", and Taylor is right on that it is poorly named, is a live ball. Think of the play you mentioned and then analyze. So - can a player steal on a foul tip? Of course, since the ball is live.
A foul ball is, of course, a dead ball. A foul "tip", and Taylor is right on that it is poorly named, is a live ball. Think of the play you mentioned and then analyze. So - can a player steal on a foul tip? Of course, since the ball is live.
What would be the appropriate thing for an umpire to do in this situation:
Runner at 1st stealing 2nd on pitch. Batter foul tips. Ump loudly yells "FOUL BALL!" and signals foul. Runner didn't see foul tip but hears ump, so he begins to return to 1st. Catcher has thrown back to pitcher in the meantime, when defensive coaches yell "tag the runner." Runner realizes something is up, tries to turn back to second. Pitcher throws to second baseman who tags runner coming back to second. Defensive coaches consult with ump (probably explaining foul tip rule), and ump calls runner out.
Offensive coaches talked to ump, but didn't argue. They were ahead by about 10 runs anyway, so I don't think they thought it was worth making a huge issue out of it.
My question is: what should an ump do if he realizes his actions may have influenced a runner to leave a bag like that? Does it matter that this was a youth ball game? I'm just curious.
Runner at 1st stealing 2nd on pitch. Batter foul tips. Ump loudly yells "FOUL BALL!" and signals foul. Runner didn't see foul tip but hears ump, so he begins to return to 1st. Catcher has thrown back to pitcher in the meantime, when defensive coaches yell "tag the runner." Runner realizes something is up, tries to turn back to second. Pitcher throws to second baseman who tags runner coming back to second. Defensive coaches consult with ump (probably explaining foul tip rule), and ump calls runner out.
Offensive coaches talked to ump, but didn't argue. They were ahead by about 10 runs anyway, so I don't think they thought it was worth making a huge issue out of it.
My question is: what should an ump do if he realizes his actions may have influenced a runner to leave a bag like that? Does it matter that this was a youth ball game? I'm just curious.
quote:Originally posted by fast:
What would be the appropriate thing for an umpire to do in this situation:
Runner at 1st stealing 2nd on pitch. Batter foul tips. Ump loudly yells "FOUL BALL!" and signals foul. Runner didn't see foul tip but hears ump, so he begins to return to 1st. Catcher has thrown back to pitcher in the meantime, when defensive coaches yell "tag the runner." Runner realizes something is up, tries to turn back to second. Pitcher throws to second baseman who tags runner coming back to second. Defensive coaches consult with ump (probably explaining foul tip rule), and ump calls runner out.
Offensive coaches talked to ump, but didn't argue. They were ahead by about 10 runs anyway, so I don't think they thought it was worth making a huge issue out of it.
My question is: what should an ump do if he realizes his actions may have influenced a runner to leave a bag like that? Does it matter that this was a youth ball game? I'm just curious.
Once any umpire states/yells it is a Foul Ball" its foul, the ball is dead and runners return... it does not matter where or what the ball did... IF he/she yells foul ball... the Ball is "FOUL" and is an immediate dead ball.
The ball became foul when it was so declared by the umpire. Runner should have been protected back to first.
Umpire did two things wrong...called the foul-tip incorrectly and then tried to correct his error.
Umpire did two things wrong...called the foul-tip incorrectly and then tried to correct his error.
quote:Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Once any umpire states/yells it is a Foul Ball" its foul, the ball is dead and runners return...
In this situation, yes. However, not 100% true.
quote:In this situation, yes. However, not 100% true.
Ahh, the inadvertant foul call on a fly ball.