State funded scholarships and recruiting question

Our experience is that it realy doesn't tie in with recruiting, but it's definitely a nice thing to have. Recruiters look first for guys who can play, and then the scholarship is a nice surprise. 2B did his 2 JUCO years as a preferred walk-on with only the state scholarship, although they did give him some athletic money for his last semester. In that case, we were the ones who got the nice surprise.  The way it worked then (and works now at D2) was that the athletic scholarship was applied to expenses first, then the state funds, and whatever was left went into his pocket for living expenses.

 

If a merit scholarship is to be added to an athletic scholarship without it counting against the team's athletic scholarship limit, it must be equally available to students who are not athletes. Since the Hope Scholarship is universally available to all qualifying students, it does not count against the team's scholarship limit.

 

It'd virtually always be viewed as a plus by a recruiter (along with the demonstrated ability to make good grades that it requires), and it gives state-supported universities in states where Hope Scholarships are present a potential recruiting advantage with in-state students.

I was thinking that it would have to be a huge benefit to recruiters if the money was available to be used with a baseball scholarship. It would have to free up money for other recruits. Thanks I appreciate the information.

I think the rule for DI academic money not to count against athletic scholarship is that student has to meet one of the four. Top 10% HS class, 3.5 GPA, & ACT & SAT score.

 

PO Jr's coach loved the fact that he had the potential to get academic money, but I don't think that had anything to do with the process. They do like the fact that good students make their job easier. 

...and it has to be equally available to non-athletes. 

Can someone explain this further.  If you are offered baseball $  and then also qualify for another program like the hope scholarship how does it all tie in. Do you get both or choose one?  Confused about the counter exception rule of top 10%. 3.5 gpa act sum 105 sat 1200.  If you meet that criteria then exempted from counting against 11.7 scholarships?   Some additional clarification would be helpful.

In order for academic money not to count against 11.7 scholarships, the athlete must meet one of the above four criteria and it cannot exceed 100%.

 

In PO Jr's case, Baseball money comes with a deduction from tuition. Money from his business scholarship also comes with a deduction from tuition. Any additional money left over was given for housing, food or books. Son & wife handle the finances, but I'm pretty sure this to be the way it worked 

 

 

So if grades fall below one of 4 exceptions then baseball money and academic money are both counted toward 11.7?   Or is baseball money always counted against the 11.7.

Since the 11.7 refers to the maximum number of athletic scholarships allowed any Division I team, "baseball money" ALWAYS counts against the 11.7.

 

The purpose of the regulations is to prevent a school from giving a merit scholarship to an athlete, circumventing the allowable number of scholarships. Essentially, they force the athlete to have the equivalent academic performance of any other student who might qualify for a merit scholarship.

To me the big plus for recruiters is that this money covers up to 75% or more of tuition (depending on the school). So is it true that these student atheletes are already getting more than alot of players who are not eligible for this money? I am just trying to sort this out in my mind? Am I missing something?

what about an out of state situation.  The baseball % offered (assume 25% minimum) would be the same but the baseball $ would be alot more.  Is that correct, doesn't apply more against the 11.7, but a bigger amount comes out of the baseball budget for an out of state student?  So another scenario might come into play by getting students who can qualify for the academic exception to help out out of state students higher cost of attending, but doesn't really cost the baseball budget, or eqivalency any more.  is that right?

Hope money is only for in state schools.

what about other out of state programs like the wue/witchi

Still wondering if someone can explain baseball money for out of state students.  The baseball % offered (assume 25% minimum) would be the same as far as counting against the 11.7, but the actual dollars out of baseball budget would be alot more because of the out of state higher amount.   Is that correct?  

 

Also if students who can qualify for the  WUE and has grades to meet the NCAA exception are also offered baseball money, How does that all work?    The student gets a break on out of state tuition through the WUE, and if they also meet the NCAA exception policy for this academic award, then the baseball program is better off because  it doesn't "count" against their 11.7 and also doesn't come out of their baseball budget?  Confused about this issue.