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Originally posted by newtothis:
16. The running lane should enter an umpire’s decision-making process only when the ball is being fielded to first from behind the runner.

Does anyone know where this statement came from?

Right after 15 and before 17?

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Originally posted by newtothis:
16. The running lane should enter an umpire’s decision-making process only when the ball is being fielded to first from behind the runner.

Does anyone know where this statement came from?

I do not recognize the statement or the format as being from any of my formal umpire manuals, yet there are many outstanding umpire trainers who have compiled instructional handouts for training uses.

I have an extensive file of handouts and presentations that I use in my classes.

are you concerned about the origin of the information for credit purposes or the validity of the statement?

validity of the statement.

Where does it say(in the rule book), that the 3 foot running lane only pertains to a throw from behind the runner?

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Originally posted by newtothis:
validity of the statement.

Where does it say(in the rule book), that the 3 foot running lane only pertains to a throw from behind the runner?

This isnt as easy as it would seem......ofentimes the rule book does not say clearly what we want it to say....and then will say one thing and then offers an exception.....this is one of those times...

This is an interference call so the rule goes...

The batter runner is out when:

8-4-1g: he runs outside of the three foot running lane (last half of the distance from home to first), while the ball is being fielded or thrown to first base Or:

1. this infraction is ignored if it is to avoid a fielder who is attempting to field a batted ball or if the act does not interfere with a fielder or throw...

so the infraction is ignored if the throw is coming from a fielder from which the throw would not be interfered with by just being out of the running lane....

I remember seeing a forum post, somewhere, about this.
What if the throw comes from, say the shortstop, and the firstbaseman reaches to his left and clearly in fair territory, but not by much, attempts to reach out and catch the ball, and the batter-runner comes thru the base, in fair territory ( clearly out of the 3-foot running lane),and knocks the ball out of the first baseman's glove? Seems to me that would also be a 3-foot running lane violation.

It is an accurate description of universally accepted interpretations in all codes (even FED). The running lane is relevant only when the throw is coming from behind the batter-runner (plate area).

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
It is an accurate description of universally accepted interpretations in all codes (even FED). The running lane is relevant only when the throw is coming from behind the batter-runner (plate area).

This doesn't sound like a good explanation to a coach to me. The book clearly says the batter/runner must run to first in the running lane during the last half of his attempt to reach first. But I understand what you're saying.

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Originally posted by newtothis:

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
It is an accurate description of universally accepted interpretations in all codes (even FED). The running lane is relevant only when the throw is coming from behind the batter-runner (plate area).

This doesn't sound like a good explanation to a coach to me. The book clearly says the batter/runner must run to first in the running lane during the last half of his attempt to reach first. But I understand what you're saying.

I don't like it, if it is for training, IMO it needs a "Generally speaking" in it.

Though most the plays in our life times would come from behind the batter runner, I can't choke down it never could happen. A throw from F4 could be intf'ed with, if it was up the line a bit, and I'd consider the off line throw eligible for an int on a RLV.

I dont have any problem with the statement....certainly a runner can still interfere with a throw, but to me that would not be a running lane violation, that would be simple interference....

Now to that end, sometimes you just have to umpire.....and this is where your judgment comes in....In a play, it is accepted that the batter runner may exit the lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of reaching the base....a runner is /must deviate from the lane to acquire the base....

So depending on the throw, you might just have a "train wreck"........you would have to decide.... you will have to judge the postion of the runner and the quality of the throw, and then add in the fact that the runner has a right to touch the base which is entirely in fair territory........

I agree with Stan, it is hard to imagine a situation where it would come from anywhere else and be a RLV. However, there was a huge, huge argument about 5 or 6 years ago and PBUC issued a ruling that it could from anywhere. MLB said no to the same ruling. I think PBUC blew it but it wasn't the first time they did that. luckily there is a new guy that understands the rules and how to use them.