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Article on them cutting pay of scout 57%…

The McCourts were never really accepted here for many reasons…Particularly when you compare them to Atre Moreno (of the Angels) who bought the team about the same time as the McCourts. Dodger fans are going to be in for a long, long drawn out mess. Hopefully the team is sold to another owner quickly, however I fear a repeat of the Padres.

When you read about all the stuff in their divorce filings and then read this it makes you want to puke.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/...v12,0,1411816.column
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The trouble for scouts like that is that they love the game so much that its known that they'll work for practically nothing. Same thing with minor leaguers working for starvation wages. All while these rich jerks fight over millions. Makes you almost want the lawyers to get it all but the only people who will suffer will be Dodger fans and people like the scout in the story. I guess the gamble for these old scouts is that since their time in the Majors was short, they never had a chance to work at a job where there's a pension involved.
Baseball is a tough game and at times a heartless game. It seems that any other scout would have been cut off completely.

I don't think it is just the Dodgers. More money is being poured into overseas development than here at home by the MLB.

While the RBI program is nice, it is little more than a veiled attempt to develop memnbers of 20% of the population.

Scouts have admitted that oftentimes they would just take in the various showcases, read evalutions and ocasionally stop in to see propsects before making their reports.

The whole purpose of the 'scout' was to find the 'diamond in rough', the standout player that nobody has paid attention to. If he finds and delivers talent, he should be compensated. If he doesn't deliver, should he paid anyway?

It would be interesting if the scout recieved a certain per centage of each player signed. Say 5% of the signing bonus separate from what is paid to the player. Similar to foreign scouts and players.
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Originally posted by CADad:
This scout's salary was in essence a working pension.


Thanks...As obvious as it seems now, I didn't pick up on that originally. There has always been some undercurrent of baseball people taking care of their own, not that it's universal, but certainly not obscure either.

I would bet that these owners were told of the tradition of taking care of their old and faithful scouts, with the pittance of a salary they get, but these owners decided to turn their backs on them.

Judging from the comments here, and the way they seemingly conduct themselves, I shouldn't be surprised.
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Here is an updated article from the LA Times this morning. This is just confirmation on what many of us thought was going on with the Dodgers. Here is a franchise that should only be second to the Yankees and the McCourts are running this storied club into the ground so they can finance their lavish lifestyle. (Now their attorneys) No offense to the Minnesota Twins but the Dodgers have a smaller payroll than them! Let’s hope this nightmare ends soon and the court awards joint custody and the McCourts are forced to sell it to an owner who can take over and develop the team into what it should be.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/...0,6434159,full.story

Some snipits.

LA HoldCo's net losses for the first 11 months of 2008 and 2009 were $15.5 million and $5.9 million, respectively. Its $20.6 million in cash and liquid assets at the beginning of 2008 had dwindled to $5.5 million as of Nov. 30, 2009 — a 73% decline in less than two years.

The holding company went into technical default on its bank line of credit after the second quarter of 2009, because the cash available to pay its debts was less than required. The banks could have shut down the credit line at that point but did not, financial reports show.

In a court declaration, Wilhelm, the Dodgers' CFO, identified "borrowed funds" as the primary source for the "operation of the business enterprise as well as a source of potential distributions" to the McCourts.

The McCourts took $108 million in personal distributions from the Dodgers from 2004 to 2009, primarily from the borrowed funds, court records show.

For example, in 2006, Blue Land Co. — the McCourt entity that owns the Dodger Stadium parking lots — took out a $60-million loan against the parking lots, according to Wilhelm's declaration. The McCourts invested $10 million in the Dodgers and used about $50 million for personal mortgages and purchases of residential real estate, Wilhelm said.

The money to repay that loan comes from the rent payments the Dodgers charge themselves on land they own, shifting team revenue to the Blue Land entity, according to Wilhelm's deposition.

In his declaration, Wilhelm said he was aware of only two McCourt business assets that had been sold to generate funds for the Dodgers organization in the last six years — the sale of a Boston commercial building for about $3.9 million, and the sale of the minor league Vero Beach Dodgers for about $3.1 million.

In 2008, the McCourts were told that the sale of a minority ownership stake in the Dodgers could raise "a significant amount of money," according to an e-mail from McCourt Group Chief Operating Officer Jeff Ingram.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BOF:
Let’s hope this nightmare ends soon and the court awards joint custody and the McCourts are forced to sell it to an owner who can take over and develop the team into what it should be.

Amen to that! I was originally hoping that Frank would win out and retain sole ownership. However, after reading the article, I'm with you...hopefully the judge awards the team to both of them, which forces them to ultimately have to sell. What a mess!
BOF,
I admire your stand but I've got a couple games left from my mini package. Can I please go to the games? I promise to bring my own water so as not to support the McCourts any more than necessary. I don't think I'll go as far as parking outside the lots and walking in despite the ridiculous parking fees. Smile
In the 6 or 7 years I've known a fair number of scouts in our area, I've seen scenarios not too different from this one play out...from a lot of the teams. Its not unique to the Dodgers (the scout thing).

Our good friend bbscout wasn't always appreciated like he should have been.

Its a tough, tough business for everyone involved. (Note...everyone!). You have to love it to stay in it.
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Originally posted by BOF:
The O'Malley's are now calling for the McCourts to sell the Dodgers.

This is such a sad story, I continue to watch them, but refuse to step foot in Dodger Stadium until the team is sold.

I am 99% sure that Tore will not come back this year.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/...917,0,7928722.column


BOF,
I'm with you man, it makes me sick to my stomach too! I was wondering when Peter O'Malley was going to chime in and say something regarding the McCourt debacle? It's too bad that the O'Malley's don't have any interest in obtaining the Dodgers again!
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Originally posted by BOF:
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Originally posted by bsbl247:
Perhaps Magic Johnson's group will attempt to buy the Dodgers if they're not able to bring a football team to LA?


We already have one, just need to move it 100 miles north.... Eek


Very Funny...honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Spanos pulled the trigger, especially if they don't get a new stadium deal soon!
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Originally posted by dswann:
The Chargers need to go. Very expensive to attend a game. It will be double that if a new stadium is approved(not) by the voters. Estimates of 1 billion dollars may or may not be accurate for a new stadium, but for 10 games a year that seems a little pricey.


I don't want to hijack this thread that's geared towards the "Dodgers Stench" Wink...I have been a season ticket holder for the Chargers since 1996, I've endured some very good times and some very bad! IMO, the Spanos Family has done a good job putting a competitive, explosive team on the field the past six years. I know it's expensive, but my understanding is that ticket prices are in line with the rest of the NFL? The problem with your above statement is what drives me crazy about the sports "Fan Base" in General for Southern California.

San Diego does not have an NBA franchise, or an NHL franchise. The San Diego Padres are doing their best to impersonate a Triple A team, as they trade away all their talent annually. The Chargers quite frankly is the only team in town trying to put a winner on the field! With that said, many people in SD don't seem to care?

I've said this before, but the problem with Southern California is it's the ultimate melting pot...there are only a small percentage of people like myself that were born and raised here, many people moved to Cali and already had their allegiances set. There are a number of Bandwagon Fans in So Cal that jump on and off every season...I have to assume it's partly due to our weather and the numerous outdoor activities available here, but who knows?

Back to what dswann said...I agree with him, hopefully the Chargers do move to LA...atleast then all of the teams that I root for will be in one city! The problem appears to be that people don't care about an NFL franchise in the LA basin either? We'll see what happens?

To get back on topic, the Dodgers Stench hopefully will require the McCourt's to sell the team. I'm crossing my fingers that maybe, just maybe...there is another owner like Arte Moreno of the Angels that steps in and purchases the Dodgers...but that's probably too much to ask for? Smile
They need to go because the team needs a regional presence. To make the kind of profits the Spanos family is looking for. Dodgers,Padres, Chargers it's, IMO a public trust issue. Are they doing their best to field a winner? Dodgers at least are proactive, Padres are just sad. Chargers need to move or contibute a lion share to the stadium issue it is THEIR business or shut up.
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Originally posted by bsbl247:
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Originally posted by BOF:
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Originally posted by bsbl247:
Perhaps Magic Johnson's group will attempt to buy the Dodgers if they're not able to bring a football team to LA?


We already have one, just need to move it 100 miles north.... Eek


Very Funny...honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Spanos pulled the trigger, especially if they don't get a new stadium deal soon!
It would bring the Chargers back to their roots. They started as the Los Angeles Chargers. Does anyone know why they are called the Chargers?
RJM,

You got me on that one, so I looked it up... pretty interesting!


SAN DIEGO CHARGERS -
Barron Hilton agreed after his general manager, Frank Ready picked the Chargers name when he purchased an AFL franchise for Los Angeles. The Chargers played in Los Angeles in 1960 and moved to San Diego in 1961. “I liked it because they were yelling ‘charge’ and sounding the bugle at Dodgers Stadium and at USC games.”

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