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Son has pitched over the top his whole life.  Not a power pitcher, has good control and paints the corners.  Didn't pitch Varsity last year, had 4 senior pitchers.  This year his coach said he was expecting him to be the weekend starter (not pitching district games).  Over the top, he is about 75 with a good changeup.  In April, he started experimenting with throwing submarine.  In the first game of summer ball he was absolutely rocked throwing over the top.  From then on out, he said he was gonna try and stick with submarine.  By the end of the summer, coach said he would most likely be the Ace of the Staff as he had a very successful summer.  He is currently now sitting about 72-76 submarine.  He is working his butt off though doing lots of core, legs, and forearm work to increase his velocity.  Now, here's the question.... Son is a junior, so he has 2 more seasons left of high school ball.  The question is, what number (mph), does he need to be in order to play past the high school level.  He has good control and knows the game very well.  Velocity is the issue.  And he wants to know where he needs to get to in order to play in college.  Thanks in advance

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If you do a search here using "minimum velocity requirements", you will find lots of info including tables for D1, D2, etc.  There is a few MPH "allowance" for LHP's and you can probably assume a similar exception for submarine pitchers.  There are also tons of threads specific to sub pitchers.  Some college coaches love 'em.  Some don't know what to do with them. 

I think I recall your kid having good size.  As long as mechanics are fairly solid, coaches will be more likely to project velo increase.

The thing with submarine pitching is that even without good velocity, you can be successful against most high school competition because the batters aren't disciplined or experienced enough to handle it.  College is a different story though.

 

I attend a lot of games played by a local college (ACC team).  Over the past few years there have been a few sidearm/submarine guys that come out of the pen.  Most of those guys sit in the low to mid 80's with fastballs and high 70's-low 80's with breaking stuff.  The biggest issue with these guys is that if they are having trouble locating their breaking stuff, they tend to get hit really hard on the fastball.

 

On the good side for your son, it seems that every college staff has a submariner or two.  On the bad side, it doesn't seem to be something colleges tend to go out and recruit for.  Usually they were over the top guys or position guys who were converted because they didn't have success.

 

I would look at it this way.  If your son's velocity improves a bit - which I would expect it to, then he would have a shot at making a college roster.  At the same time, I don't think colleges are willing to invest much money into a pitcher that in all likelihood will be a reliever - but you never know.

 

 

Some of this is addressed at http://community.hsbaseballweb...08#18751616450139408 which I assume you saw as its been kicking around last the few days.  There is some legit info in that thread.  I think the key for a submariner is to demonstrate they can get D1 hitters out and that can be done in summer/JC league.  I think going from HS to D1 as a submariner is a difficult task, from a JC to D1 is doable.  Throwing submarine in the low 80s works in the ACC.  Throwing sidearm in the low 80's doesn't work.  It needs to be a legit submarine motion.

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