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Hi.  I’m new here and just wanted to offer a thought for what it is worth, especially to managers and coaches.

 

Although I never played high school ball per se as a kid, I did play in a very good 14-18 league as a relief pitcher.  My regular style was sidearm after my boyhood idol (later Senator!) Jim Bunning.  (That should give real baseball fans an idea of my age!)  What the manager liked about me was that as a sidearm pitcher, although I lacked the power of the conventional overhand hurlers, I had really good control and rarely walked anyone, and he would use me in short relief situations with men already on base.  As a rookie, age 14, I decided to experiment with submarine style pitching after a MLB reliever then prominent.  I convinced the manager to give me a try as a starter.  My manager had been a very conservative and conventional man in all aspects of his life and took the game very seriosuly, so it took some convincing.

 

In my experiment, I retired the first nine batters (including some really good hitters, some as much as four years older than me) I faced, striking out several. My control was even better than sidearm. But then, as soon as I faced the first batter again, I started to get whacked around really badly.  After a few such hits, the manager had seen enough and pulled me.  That was the end of the experiment, and I reverted to my sidearm delivery for the rest of my tenure on the team (constantly battling elbow pain with a tube of Ben-Gay omnipresent in the dugout!).

 

It has always been my theory that the reason why I had been so initially successful as a submariner was that the other team’s kids were so unfamiliar with this style that it took them an at bat to acclimate themselves to it.  Once they did, due to the tepid, controlled pace of the delivery, they caught on with a vengeance.  I would have dearly liked another try against another team, but it was not to be.

 

I thought if any managers/coaches were to read this, they might be more amenable to the idea of having a kid throw submarine and, if successful as I had been at first, pulling him after he faces the opposition’s entire lineup.  This strategy could be used on a surprise basis in an important game in which the opposition never faced the submarine pitcher. 

 

As I said, just a thought. Thank you. 

 

 

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By the way, here is an article about my boyhood baseball idol, Jim Bunning.  Although he is photographed here in a Tigers uniform, after he came to the Phillies (one of the few good trades the Phils ever made!) my life changed for the better!  The reason was that I got teased for “throwing like a girl” for throwing sidearm.  After his perfect game, the teasing stopped.  The article points out what a master of control he had been, which I believe is not uncommon with sidearmers.  It was my redeeming virtue and the only reason I made the teams at the height of the baby boom era and before political correctness when more kids were cut than made the team.  If anyone is interested, here is the link:

 

http://entertainment.howstuffw.../jim-bunning-hof.htm

mds,

 

Well, Kent Tekulve certainly did well as a submariner.. He was a reliever with the Pirates for 15 years from the mid '70's to the late 80's. His career ERA is 2.85.

 

Regarding my experimental game, I think the only reason why I was able to convince my manager to give me a try starting with the new submarine approach was that he wanted to teach me a lesson.  As I said, he wasn’t one for innovation.  After having retiring the lineup at the end of the third, I guess I was feeling rather smug, though I could see the manager eying me skeptically.  Kids were patting me on the back urging:  “Perfect game!”  Even my catcher, who was either eighteen or close to it and had been resentful at having to catch a 14-year-old kid as a starter, came up to me and said:  “Keep it up!  You got them swinging in the empty air as it sinks like a rock!  I’m having trouble catching them.”  No one had hit it out of the infield in three innings. 

 

By the time my manager yanked me after a run and two men on base in the fourth, I was shell-shocked.  He wasn’t a man who one would dare protest such a decision to; but believe me, I wouldn’t have in any case.  “Get me out of here!”

 

Regarding your point, here is a post someone made on a forum regarding submarine pitchers:

 

“The ball is released from a completely different spot than where the hitter is accustomed to picking it up. Accordingly, the hitters aren't very comfortable and have less time to get a beat on the ball. If you can do it comfortably and still have the fundamentals (location, velocity, movement) it will certainly give you a leg up on the competition."

 

The poster obviously agrees with you.  As with anything else, there are those better at it than others.  However, the mere fact that submariners have been almost exclusively relievers tends to make me adhere to my theory that once batters become acclimated to the ball sinking so rapidly that because of the lack of power they will eventually catch on with a vengeance as had been my youthful experience and apparently Joe’s as well with his boy’s recent game.

 

Maybe the best submariners can endure more than one go around of the lineup through the technique and experience I had lacked.  I still think having at least one on staff as a reliever (to be used sparingly in important situations so as not to overexpose the opposition to the unconventional style) would be an asset.  If a team has only one, then I think it’s preferable for submariners to be right-handed as they are particularly effective against same-handed opponents as such batters feel themselves jammed due to the unusual spin of the ball as it sinks in at them.  .    

 

Thanks for your insights.  It’s appreciated. 

 

Don

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