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I had an interesting thing happen today.  I was invited to a sales presentation at US Cellular Field by a vendor we do business with.  They invited a really small group of people (about 25).  Part of the draw to get us down there was BP on the field.  What I didn’t realize was that I was going to get the chance to have a conversation with Buddy Bell.  For those of you who are unaware Buddy is now the VP in charge of player development and scouting for the White Sox.  We actually spent some time talking about youth sports and MLB scouting.  I found what he had to say pretty interesting and figured I would pass along what we talked about.

 

-Kids today coming up are way “over coached”.

 What he meant by this was they specialize way too early and don’t spend enough time playing the game to have fun.  He said this is causing some problems at the MLB level in that it’s harder and harder to work with players and get them to make changes to the way they do things.  He also mentioned that some kids are passed over when the scouts see them because after investigating the player they find out he has been playing travel baseball and pitching 365 days a year since the kid was 6.  When they find people like this they tend to lack upside.  His basic advice was to let kids be kids and play for fun.  If in HS they want to start specializing then middle HS is about the right time.   If they are good enough the scouts will find them.  He also stressed the importance of playing multiple sports or taking some time off every year to “be a kid”.

 

-MLB scouts will find you if you are good enough.

Each team has 35-40 scouts working for them.  They are afraid of overlooking a player.  Many of them do not want an owner to find out about a player before them or they are fearful that they may have missed someone who is being drafted by another team.  He said they are looking pretty much everywhere.  You may not know it but they may be at the local park watching a LL game just to make sure they did not miss anyone.

 

-Stats don’t matter to them. 

Yes they see the stats and it may attract them to take a second look at a player but they really don’t care about stats.  As he said “if they are a good enough player the stats will take care of themselves”.  If they do look at a stat it’s the ratio of innings pitched to number of strike outs.  The only other thing that they really pay attention to (but barely) is number of ground outs and pop outs.   As far as a batter goes the only stat they pay attention to is OBP.  They don’t really care how you get on base but they want you on base.

 

-They start noticing kids as young as 14U.

They will take notice of some kids at 14U.  It may not be the stud pitcher or yaya hitter everyone around the neighborhood is talking about.  It maybe the more athletic kid on the team or the fastest, etc.  Though for the most part they will not really take notice of kids until they are middle to end of HS.

 

­-They do look at MLB scouting combines and showcases

No big news here but they do watch these things.

 

-Size matters

Most likely they are going to pass on a 5’6” kid who is hitting bombs.   He basically said sorry but size does matter.  

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What he meant by this was they specialize way too early and don’t spend enough time playing the game to have fun  .... His basic advice was to let kids be kids and play for fun.  If in HS they want to start specializing then middle HS is about the right time.   If they are good enough the scouts will find them.  He also stressed the importance of playing multiple sports or taking some time off every year to “be a kid”.

This is stated over and over...and over and over...on here but often times ignored by parents who believe they've got it all figured out.

 

Every single college and pro player I know at every single camp I watch and in every dinner conversation I've had with them...says this too.  And I know a fair many.

 

But few hear it.

 

I talked to the head of our local rec league recently who said whereas 10 years ago there was 1 or 2 kids per age group playing travel ball at age 10-13, now there are dozens per group.  Yet there are still no more than 1 or 2 who may(?) play beyond HS.

 

Why?  

 

Its a trend that needs to slow down or stop.  But how do we get those who follow behind us to listen?

 

I simply do not know.  

My understanding seems to be $$$ for coaches in the travel ball arena. They sell traveling around to get seen, but some have very little, if non at all, connections. They, however, do receive a nice stipend from the parents, if not a decent salary. Obviously not all these travel coaches are this way, but plenty I have run into are. I always tell my players that if they are willing to bust their butts to get better, make good grades and are willing to move away from home (possibly out of state), then they would have a solid opportunity to play some level of college baseball.

Originally Posted by joes87:

justbaseball, I agree 100%.  It was just interesting hearing it come from that level and hearing about how it affects their recruiting and perception of players. 

I know.  I wasn't referring to you at all.  Just thinking out loud, nothing more.  

 

BTW, a good friend who coaches HS ball locally says they're getting fewer and fewer kids to tryouts recently.  He knows one area big public HS that may not be able to field a JV team this year as there may be no more than 10 kids even trying out.  This...in a warm weather state/area that has produced many college and pro players.

 

Are we burning the kids out?  Do they believe only travel ball matters?  Really depressing if you think about it from many...many angles.

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Originally Posted by justbaseball:
Originally Posted by joes87:
 

 BTW, a good friend who coaches HS ball locally says they're getting fewer and fewer kids to tryouts recently.  He knows one area big public HS that may not be able to field a JV team this year as there may be no more than 10 kids even trying outs.  This...in a warm weather state/area that has produced many college and pro players.

 

Are we burning the kids out?  Do they believe only travel ball matters?  Really depressing if you think about it from many...many angles.

Seeing the same thing up here in Chicagoland.  When my oldest (college frosh) tried out for the HS team his freshman year they had about 110 kids tryout for 32 spots (A&B teams with ~16 players per team).  Last year I was told that about 60 kids tried out and if participation in the summer camps is any indication they expect about the same number this year as last to try out. 

 

BTW took no offense to the earlier post just restating that I agree with you...

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