Cape Henry to play Christchurch @ Cape Henry today, Monday @ 4. Leviit to start with Morey in as well. At least that was the plan last week before the rainouts. We will see.........
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Cape Henry beats Christchurch 2-0. Robert Morey pitches a complete game no-no.
ChristChurch's hitters didn't take very good cuts...neither did CHC's.
Wow. You know, I really don't want to pick a fight with you, redbird5. But why did you find it so important to throw cold water on what is a noteable achievement for any pitcher against any team? If you have nothing nice to say.......
It wasn't meant to pick a fight. Neither team swung the bat very well. That is a fact.
Morey threw well but only 3-4 of ChristChurch's hitters looked like they even wanted to be in the batters box. I am sure that Morey's stuff was a big part of it.
Morey threw well but only 3-4 of ChristChurch's hitters looked like they even wanted to be in the batters box. I am sure that Morey's stuff was a big part of it.
Well, nice to see that you were at the game. Since there were only a handfull of people there, I am sure I saw you, but I have no idea who you were. While it is a fact that neither team had very much success at the plate- why not give the pitchers the credit rather than imply that the pitchers success was due to poor hitting? ( which was exactly how I saw the intent of your first post! ) Just a thought, though. No disrespect intended.
Sorry...I call it like I see it. Morey threw well but CC hitters looked afraid. Again, it probably had plenty to do with his stuff and the fact that they aren't very good hitters.
I wasn't impressed with CHC hitters either. I didn't see too many good swings against average-below average pitching.
Was I inaccurate in what I said?
I wasn't impressed with CHC hitters either. I didn't see too many good swings against average-below average pitching.
Was I inaccurate in what I said?
NA lost a heart breaker to NSA today. 6-4, NA gave up 4 runs in the top half of the seventh to fall.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I agree that on that day, no-one looked sharp at the plate. However, sir, I believe your intent was to dilute the achievement of Morey pitching a no hitter by "reporting" that cc were not good hitters . And then to dilute the win overall by reporting that CHC looked bad at the plate as well. In other words, "here are a couple of mediorcre teams who just played and one was more mediocre than the other one, so one pitcher pitched a no hitter." And if that was not your intent, what was it? Are you just so truthful that you could not help yourself? Let me tell you something, sir, I believe in the truth and acuracy as well. But I would not cross the street to tell a stranger they were ugly, even thought it may be 100% accurate and nothing but the truth!
impartial,
well stated. redbird pretty much has one goal in mind. he is not the warm and fuzzy type. a scout told me the morey kid has his best years infront of him. hope so.
well stated. redbird pretty much has one goal in mind. he is not the warm and fuzzy type. a scout told me the morey kid has his best years infront of him. hope so.
impartialbut...That was not my intent at all.
Morey threw well...personally, I thought he threw too many breaking balls to hitters that didn't deserve them. He overpowered them and looked very sharp. The fact remains that CC hitters were not very good and Morey shoved it to them. Relax,man...no one kicked your dog or called your kid ugly. CC was nothing special but Morey's game was.
Best of luck this season.
Mr. C...what is my goal?
Morey threw well...personally, I thought he threw too many breaking balls to hitters that didn't deserve them. He overpowered them and looked very sharp. The fact remains that CC hitters were not very good and Morey shoved it to them. Relax,man...no one kicked your dog or called your kid ugly. CC was nothing special but Morey's game was.
Best of luck this season.
Mr. C...what is my goal?
There ared some things we agree on, Redbird. I said more than once to the parent next to me " he should get this guy on the fastball- why waste the curve" and he threw the curve! It is possible that this early in the season he was just making sure he had it working....anyhow, i am relaxed and waiting for the next one, which by the way will be this Thursday @ Norfolk Christian. Did I just see in the paper this morning that Norfolk Christian lost a game in which, like 30 runs total were scored? Hmmmm. Then this weekend the Dolphins are off to Richmond to play a Saturday doubleheader --- Benedictine and St. Christopher HS.
...It may be that his curveball was working better that day then his fastball. It may also be that the curve ball is a little less stressful on the old arm then the fastball...so why waste the arm if you don't need to?
I do agree a no hitter is a NO HITTER. If they are good enough to be in the batting lineup and they are "jumping" out of their sliding shorts then the pitcher certainly had them off balance during the game....so maybe, just maybe the pitcher actually earned that no hitter?
Standing on the outside looking in.... you can have at me now.
I do agree a no hitter is a NO HITTER. If they are good enough to be in the batting lineup and they are "jumping" out of their sliding shorts then the pitcher certainly had them off balance during the game....so maybe, just maybe the pitcher actually earned that no hitter?
Standing on the outside looking in.... you can have at me now.
quote:Originally posted by impartialbut:
There ared some things we agree on, Redbird.
We agree on most everything about this game...you just thought I was trying to put down CHC. You saw exactly what I saw with both team's hitters.
quote:Originally posted by impartialbut:
It is possible that this early in the season he was just making sure he had it working.
Possible but I noticed he threw whatever the C put down...no shake offs and the coach wasn't calling the game. No reason to speed up the #8 hitter's bat with a CB when he hadn't smelled the FB. Just my opinion, of course.
quote:Originally posted by woodstock:
...It may be that his curveball was working better that day then his fastball. It may also be that the curve ball is a little less stressful on the old arm then the fastball...so why waste the arm if you don't need to?
I do agree a no hitter is a NO HITTER. If they are good enough to be in the batting lineup and they are "jumping" out of their sliding shorts then the pitcher certainly had them off balance during the game....so maybe, just maybe the pitcher actually earned that no hitter?
Standing on the outside looking in.... you can have at me now.
His FB looked pretty good, 85-87 I would guess. Any no hitter is earned...he overpowered them...no doubt.
I have never heard of a CB being less stressful on the arm than a FB.
As you might know, the catcher is a great athlete, and a pitcher as well, and just a Sophmore. He won't pitch until next year, and this is just his second year ever catching. I don't know it for sure, but I believe coach Ingram leaves it up to the pitcher to manage the game by either accepting or shaking off the calls. Levitt is the best catcher on the team, but he has never caught for them and he has given catching up to concentrate on pitching. Since the curveball is supposed to be pitched with the same arm intensity as the fastball-just different grip and wrist position, I don't see how the previous post holds up.
have to agree with redbird on this one... bottom line : a curve ball will put more stress on an arm then a fastball. i am sickened @ the amount of young arms being prematurely ruined on the mound these days. one can certainly argue sound mechanics prevents most arm injuries. that being said, throwing fastballs with proper mechanics should build arm strength versus throwing curveballs which will eventually tear down arm strentgh. throwing curveballs @ a young age will eventually prohibit a pitchers maximum arm strength development.
Yes, I do agree as well. Here is the catch- "proper mechanics". It is painfully obvious to me, at least, that based on the meteoric rise in Tommy John precedures in the past 5 years, that few people have an understanding of "good mechanics" and I believe young pitchers are being over pitched. It is a fact that as the legs and arm tire, the mechanics fail, and the stress on the elbow begins.
I certainly agree that curveballs at a young age are arm killers.
How many of the 12 year old little league championship pitchers can you point to on a college teams pitching core, or at the MLB level for that matter?
I think that is proof enough that too much too soon may be flashy but in the end just a flash in the pan and not a true sign of a kid that has the right stuff. (possibly its a kid that could have made it further but was just coach "abused" and lost any real shot at professional ball in order to win a 12 year old game!)
Maybe I am just to critical of the importance that seems to be placed on winning...when winning at all costs.
Arm strength is no doubt the key to getting a kid from 13 year old 62mph fastballs to 17 year old 82 mph fastballs.
Also pitch count is vital and many coaches do not consider it if the boy says "hey coach I can finish the next inning" The coach sees the win instead of taking care of a pitcher as first his first priority and that is said.
Dick Mills, who was an MLB pitcher and his son was also an MLB pitcher has a training facility out in Pheonix. Google his name and you will find a site that has some recommended pitch counts and recommended # of days rest...according to how many pitches were thrown.
Growth plates are still GROWING at 17, 18, and 19.... up until about 21 or 22 even in some kids.
Until those arms are fully mature you should use a standard proven pitch count (modified 10 to 15 pitches perhaps one way or the other to suit the pitcher your dealing with)
How many of the 12 year old little league championship pitchers can you point to on a college teams pitching core, or at the MLB level for that matter?
I think that is proof enough that too much too soon may be flashy but in the end just a flash in the pan and not a true sign of a kid that has the right stuff. (possibly its a kid that could have made it further but was just coach "abused" and lost any real shot at professional ball in order to win a 12 year old game!)
Maybe I am just to critical of the importance that seems to be placed on winning...when winning at all costs.
Arm strength is no doubt the key to getting a kid from 13 year old 62mph fastballs to 17 year old 82 mph fastballs.
Also pitch count is vital and many coaches do not consider it if the boy says "hey coach I can finish the next inning" The coach sees the win instead of taking care of a pitcher as first his first priority and that is said.
Dick Mills, who was an MLB pitcher and his son was also an MLB pitcher has a training facility out in Pheonix. Google his name and you will find a site that has some recommended pitch counts and recommended # of days rest...according to how many pitches were thrown.
Growth plates are still GROWING at 17, 18, and 19.... up until about 21 or 22 even in some kids.
Until those arms are fully mature you should use a standard proven pitch count (modified 10 to 15 pitches perhaps one way or the other to suit the pitcher your dealing with)
quote:Originally posted by woodstock:
Dick Mills, who was an MLB pitcher and his son was also an MLB pitcher has a traing facility out in Pheonix. Google his name and you will find a site that has some highly recommends pitch counts and recommend # of days rest according to how many pitches were thrown.
Woodstock,
You were doing well until you mentioned Dick Mills. His programs/beliefs are all marketing and change regularly based on the prevailing market.
BTW, his son had Tommy John surgery a few years ago.
I do know that Mills is into marketing...when you only make it couple years in pro-ball and are not well know at that, where else are you going to get money?
I have seen the pitch count information that Mills puts out in other places as well so somebody must be pirating information...or perhaps it is just good common sense that somebody has written down on paper.
I had not heard about his son and the Tommy Johns surgery. But it has been about 4 or 5 years since I have even been to his site.
This I do know. Our son is a pitcher. We began long tossing when he was about 12 years old. He has been going to the UT-Knoxville pitching camps annually during his summer breaks and they recommended the long toss for arm strengthening. Along with several other common sense exercises for the arm we feel like his lack of injury and even lack of soreness is directly related to how hard he has condition that arm. We went to a Carson Newman pitcher camp this past fall for the first time and they had a lot of the UT program exercises incorporated into their workouts for pitching. They also had some inexpensive (nothing to buy) exersices for core strengthening that I had never seen before.
Now just for the record our son does not throw 95mph fastballs. He is bumping low 80's at most. But his off speed stuff is unbelievable and while not being a "no-hitter" level of pitcher, for a 17 year old senior that will graduate a few days after he turns 18 I suspect that he is doing just fine.
Like every other boy on the face of the earth he dreamed about pro-ball. But as he has matured he has become more realistic in his dreams. He is an academic honor student with ACT scores that will blow your mind...but I will just keep those to myself ***wink*** you might think I was bragging on him.
At this point in his life he is starting to realize that his pro-ball dream is just that, so he is looking to use his 3rd base skills in a small college (Division III perhaps) finish his undergraduate work and seen if at the ripe old age 23 years old with his college out of the way he has improved enough to give the minor league one final shot.
Otherwise he will move on into the real world and start working for a living like us "normal's".
But I know one thing for sure, he will one day be a fantastic Little league coach for his own sons.
Right now he is even contemplating majoring in education and going into either highschool coaching as a carreer or college level coaching if things lead that way for him.
He has also considered following his dad into the Engineering field...no doubt the money would be about double of that of an educator...but this past summer he was the assistant coach on his 10 year old brothers little league team and he fell in love with coaching and working with those little guys...and I must say he did have a nack for it and the kids so admired him.
So knowing he is giving up salary potiential of about 50,000 per year he is still thinking seriously about going the education route for his career.
I know he has my admiration..but what do I know I am just his mom? It is a joy to watch these boys dream and set goals so high we know they will never reach them. The good news is that when they fall short of those goals they are far above those around them without goals.
So dream big because your dreams are free and low and behold you just might reach them!
I have seen the pitch count information that Mills puts out in other places as well so somebody must be pirating information...or perhaps it is just good common sense that somebody has written down on paper.
I had not heard about his son and the Tommy Johns surgery. But it has been about 4 or 5 years since I have even been to his site.
This I do know. Our son is a pitcher. We began long tossing when he was about 12 years old. He has been going to the UT-Knoxville pitching camps annually during his summer breaks and they recommended the long toss for arm strengthening. Along with several other common sense exercises for the arm we feel like his lack of injury and even lack of soreness is directly related to how hard he has condition that arm. We went to a Carson Newman pitcher camp this past fall for the first time and they had a lot of the UT program exercises incorporated into their workouts for pitching. They also had some inexpensive (nothing to buy) exersices for core strengthening that I had never seen before.
Now just for the record our son does not throw 95mph fastballs. He is bumping low 80's at most. But his off speed stuff is unbelievable and while not being a "no-hitter" level of pitcher, for a 17 year old senior that will graduate a few days after he turns 18 I suspect that he is doing just fine.
Like every other boy on the face of the earth he dreamed about pro-ball. But as he has matured he has become more realistic in his dreams. He is an academic honor student with ACT scores that will blow your mind...but I will just keep those to myself ***wink*** you might think I was bragging on him.
At this point in his life he is starting to realize that his pro-ball dream is just that, so he is looking to use his 3rd base skills in a small college (Division III perhaps) finish his undergraduate work and seen if at the ripe old age 23 years old with his college out of the way he has improved enough to give the minor league one final shot.
Otherwise he will move on into the real world and start working for a living like us "normal's".
But I know one thing for sure, he will one day be a fantastic Little league coach for his own sons.
Right now he is even contemplating majoring in education and going into either highschool coaching as a carreer or college level coaching if things lead that way for him.
He has also considered following his dad into the Engineering field...no doubt the money would be about double of that of an educator...but this past summer he was the assistant coach on his 10 year old brothers little league team and he fell in love with coaching and working with those little guys...and I must say he did have a nack for it and the kids so admired him.
So knowing he is giving up salary potiential of about 50,000 per year he is still thinking seriously about going the education route for his career.
I know he has my admiration..but what do I know I am just his mom? It is a joy to watch these boys dream and set goals so high we know they will never reach them. The good news is that when they fall short of those goals they are far above those around them without goals.
So dream big because your dreams are free and low and behold you just might reach them!
The defending TCIS champions Greenbrier Christian Academy is 4-0 and defeated Flint Hill out of Northern Va 9-0 last thursday. Kenny Strickland struck out 13 batters in five innings. Then the Gators traveled to Charlottesville to beat the powerhouse STAB (the two-time defending D1 state champs) 5-0 last friday. In the game, Gary Bulman had a no-hitter going through 5 and 2/3 innings. On satureday they defeated Baseball America's number 47 team in the nation, Riverdale Baptist from Maryland 6-2. Von Kaufman pitched a complete game for GCA and only gave up two runs against the hard-hitting Riverdale team. John Rasberry hit a two run home run, Bret Mitchell hit a a triple scoring two runs, and Randy Buonviri hit a two run double for the gators. In the game against Riverdale, the gators committed their first error of the season.