TCU Big East
If this comes to pass, what will it mean to Big East baseball and how will it affect TCU baseball?
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Off the cuff remarks...
This seems rather surprising based on the geographic locations of the schools which may hurt some non-revenue sports since expenses will now increase to participate in conference.
The good....
Obviously, TCU was after one thing. The automatic BCS bid in football. I am guessing the Big East wanted to increase its resume regarding football as well.
The not so sure...
What about TCU basketball? Anybody see them competing in the Big East?
What about baseball and other non-revenue sports? Will athletic directors across the Big East start to consider dropping some of these now that they will have added considerable travel expenses to their budgets in order to support the addition of TCU football?
This seems rather surprising based on the geographic locations of the schools which may hurt some non-revenue sports since expenses will now increase to participate in conference.
The good....
Obviously, TCU was after one thing. The automatic BCS bid in football. I am guessing the Big East wanted to increase its resume regarding football as well.
The not so sure...
What about TCU basketball? Anybody see them competing in the Big East?
What about baseball and other non-revenue sports? Will athletic directors across the Big East start to consider dropping some of these now that they will have added considerable travel expenses to their budgets in order to support the addition of TCU football?
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Good questions CD.
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Good questions CD.
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quote:What about baseball and other non-revenue sports? Will athletic directors across the Big East start to consider dropping some of these now that they will have added considerable travel expenses to their budgets in order to support the addition of TCU football?
I will be interested to see how this plays out. Football by itself is not a horrible move because they are able to recoup a lot (or all) of that money. All the other sports could definitely struggle.
I would imagine baseball won't be too bad because of playing 3-4 games in a weekend at one place. It definitely won't be cheap, but it will be different than say s****r which plays Friday-Sunday type of a schedule so adding TCU to that schedule would be interesting.
Might be the right move for the football team; questionable if it's the right move in the long run..
I'll guess TCU consulted with Southern Florida on the financial and competitive aspects of competing in the Big East from such a distance.
Houston and Central Florida are also looking to join the Big East for football. So are Villanova and Temple. The Big East is trying to convince Villanova since they are Big East in every other sport. Temple was kicked out of the Big East a few years ago for being non competitive and a horrible stadium. They are now a winning program and play at The Linc (Eagles).
Houston and Central Florida are also looking to join the Big East for football. So are Villanova and Temple. The Big East is trying to convince Villanova since they are Big East in every other sport. Temple was kicked out of the Big East a few years ago for being non competitive and a horrible stadium. They are now a winning program and play at The Linc (Eagles).
Did I hear correctly that the AVERAGE sports trip for TCU will be 1,100 miles?
Unreal, but then the same source said it's average MWC trip was over 900 miles.
Unreal, but then the same source said it's average MWC trip was over 900 miles.
I listened to the press conference today. The AD addressed the distance question. He said they did the math on their current conference travel distances and compared that to the Big East...the Big East is a very modest increase. Ft Worth to San Diego, Idaho, etc is a lot farther than you think.
This is a good move for TCU.
This is a good move for TCU.
Travel might be less expensive. Flights to larger metropolitan areas tend to cost less due to competition.quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
I listened to the press conference today. The AD addressed the distance question. He said they did the math on their current conference travel distances and compared that to the Big East...the Big East is a very modest increase. Ft Worth to San Diego, Idaho, etc is a lot farther than you think.
This is a good move for TCU.
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Texas...Christian...University.
Most folks aren't too sharp on their geography anyway so they'll never know if it makes sense or not.
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Texas...Christian...University.
- Sounds big.
Sounds good.
Sounds Eastern.
Most folks aren't too sharp on their geography anyway so they'll never know if it makes sense or not.
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quote:Texas...Christian...University.
Sounds big.
Sounds good.
Sounds Eastern.
Most folks aren't too sharp on their geography anyway.
And better than anything that conference currently has to offer in both football and baseball! Basketball...different story.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
And better than anything that conference currently has to offer in both football and baseball! Basketball...different story.
Anything????
In football and baseball, TCU is better than ANYTHING the Big East currently has to offer. Without question. 
BC and Miami in the ACC is a long long travel path. Many would of thunk TCU would be better off in the Big 12 and replace Colorado/Nebraska and have another team added to the Big 12.quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
Off the cuff remarks...
This seems rather surprising based on the geographic locations of the schools which may hurt some non-revenue sports since expenses will now increase to participate in conference.
The good....
Obviously, TCU was after one thing. The automatic BCS bid in football. I am guessing the Big East wanted to increase its resume regarding football as well.
The not so sure...
What about TCU basketball? Anybody see them competing in the Big East?
What about baseball and other non-revenue sports? Will athletic directors across the Big East start to consider dropping some of these now that they will have added considerable travel expenses to their budgets in order to support the addition of TCU football?
It will be interesting to see TCU in the Big East in baseball as well as football.
Hopefully change is good for the school and the League.
Texas won't allow TCU in the Big 12. TCU knows that. The Big 12 has never been in the cards.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Texas won't allow TCU in the Big 12. TCU knows that. The Big 12 has never been in the cards.
TX-Husker - On local talk radio today (Randy Galloway) they said that the big schools in the Big 12 (Texas, A&M and Oklahoma) were open to adding TCU to the Big 12 but it was the rest of the pack (Baylor, Texas Tech, OSU, etc) that did not want TCU because it pushed them further down the conference totem pole for football. Who knows but I agree, TCU in the Big 12 wasn't going to happen.
quote:On local talk radio today (Randy Galloway) they said that the big schools in the Big 12 (Texas, A&M and Oklahoma) were open to adding TCU to the Big 12 but it was the rest of the pack (Baylor, Texas Tech, OSU, etc) that did not want TCU because it pushed them further down the conference totem pole for football. Who knows but I agree, TCU in the Big 12 wasn't going to happen.
Funny....that wasn't the case when Nebraska left. Interesting that the "big boys" say sure now that they know it's not an option.
The TCU talk from few months back was TCU's enrollment was nowhere big enough to be in the Big 12. The way it is now, Baylor's a stretch.
Back when Nebraska & Colorado decided to chase the TV money & jump ship, many of us in the Sooner state were hoping OU & TX would join the SEC. Glad neither went to Pac 10. Too far to travel
Back when Nebraska & Colorado decided to chase the TV money & jump ship, many of us in the Sooner state were hoping OU & TX would join the SEC. Glad neither went to Pac 10. Too far to travel
TCU is small...just over 1/10th the size of Texas A&M and Texas. They don't want any part of a school 1/10th their size showing them up in Football in this state.
As for Nebraska, if you think they chased TV money to the Big 10 you really have not followed what happened there very close.
As for Nebraska, if you think they chased TV money to the Big 10 you really have not followed what happened there very close.
Enrollment wise, more like 5-1 when comparing TX to TCU. Believe Baylor's been smallest Big 12 school with around 12K enrollment, that's not much more than TCU. With such an ego ridden decision, I'm sure TCU Football boosters have a good idea how they'd fair year in year out in a league with Oklahoma & Texas. If TCU wants to load up all their athletes on planes & fly them up to 1700 miles to compete in league play... oh well, we'll see how that works for their fans.
As far as Nebraska goes, always have had a lot of respect for Tom Osborne & Nebraska. Been to many a Nebraska-OU game. His explanation of the Big 10 network exposure sets fine with me. The loss of national exposure not playing OU every season along with UT's beating Nebraska 8 out of last 9 times got to figure into it.
As far as Nebraska goes, always have had a lot of respect for Tom Osborne & Nebraska. Been to many a Nebraska-OU game. His explanation of the Big 10 network exposure sets fine with me. The loss of national exposure not playing OU every season along with UT's beating Nebraska 8 out of last 9 times got to figure into it.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
In football and baseball, TCU is better than ANYTHING the Big East currently has to offer. Without question.
Good thing you're not on the committee to personally introduce your school to the new conference.
I'm no PR man for TCU or the Big East. It's a matter of the truth hurts, not that I'm wrong, right papi? They only have 2 teams with less than 5 losses this season..for an automatic qualifier BC conference that's awful. Truth is the Big East conference has been weak and they are adding strength at the top. That's a good thing.
PS. TCU's not my school...."dear 'ole Nebraska U" is and I prefer the Big 10
PS. TCU's not my school...."dear 'ole Nebraska U" is and I prefer the Big 10
It's all about revenue. The big 3 - OU, Tx A&M, UT have a larger share of the pie, the rest want 1/10th of the money, rather than 1/12th. The real interesting thing will be the recruiting doors in Texas, now open for the BIG EAST schools.quote:Originally posted by cheapseats: ...on local talk radio today (Randy Galloway) they said that the big schools in the Big 12 (Texas, A&M and Oklahoma) were open to adding TCU to the Big 12 but it was the rest of the pack (Baylor, Texas Tech, OSU, etc) that did not want TCU because it pushed them further down the conference totem pole for football...
Husk - personally, I like the way you kick a door open, rather than knocking politely!
Just sayin'.....GED10DaD
quote:It's all about revenue. The big 3 - OU, Tx A&M, UT have a larger share of the pie, the rest want 1/10th of the money, rather than 1/12th. The real interesting thing will be the recruiting doors in Texas, now open for the BIG EAST schools.
Exactly right, gun. TCU is a small private school in a small town...so brings no money to the table. Yet, takes something away from the big boys on the field (wins) and off (money). So the Big 12 never wanted TCU and they had to go somewhere they did have something to offer.
When you go through a season like we have with the Big 12, you get tired of being polite
This is a great move for TCU because the money they will make off football alone will probably help carry some of the other sports that don't make money. Basketball will probably break even and baseball will not lose that much money because they are good.
This is good for the Big East because they're adding a good school with good athletic teams. But I doubt it will be that easy to dominate in football as some of you think. The Big East is by no means a very good conference this year nor was it last year but it has had to overcome a lot more than the other AQ conferences have had to. First the ACC steals three of their better programs and this year you have at least three schools who have new head coaches this year.
Why do people want to take away the Big East's AQ when the ACC and Big 10 haven't been that good either? The best teams in the ACC were the ones that came from the Big East and I have no idea why anybody keeps voting for teams in the Big 10 to be in the top 25. They pick up one or two victories in the bowls to help a little but when you actually compare the best Big 10 schools with the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 best schools.
..............yeah this is probably going to open a can or worms. Oh well.
This is good for the Big East because they're adding a good school with good athletic teams. But I doubt it will be that easy to dominate in football as some of you think. The Big East is by no means a very good conference this year nor was it last year but it has had to overcome a lot more than the other AQ conferences have had to. First the ACC steals three of their better programs and this year you have at least three schools who have new head coaches this year.
Why do people want to take away the Big East's AQ when the ACC and Big 10 haven't been that good either? The best teams in the ACC were the ones that came from the Big East and I have no idea why anybody keeps voting for teams in the Big 10 to be in the top 25. They pick up one or two victories in the bowls to help a little but when you actually compare the best Big 10 schools with the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 best schools.
..............yeah this is probably going to open a can or worms. Oh well.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
I'm no PR man for TCU or the Big East. It's a matter of the truth hurts, not that I'm wrong, right papi? They only have 2 teams with less than 5 losses this season..for an automatic qualifier BC conference that's awful. Truth is the Big East conference has been weak and they are adding strength at the top. That's a good thing.
PS. TCU's not my school...."dear 'ole Nebraska U" is and I prefer the Big 10
Well, it is kind of your school isn't it??? I think having a daughter attend qualifies you as a TCU booster.
Naw... If it was a son who was a big football fan, maybe. But a daughter who's not really into football, I hardly consider TCU "my" school. More like it's my "creditor".
coach2709 - As a Pac-10 AND Big East fan (Stanford and Cincinnati...odd combo - huh?)...I agree with pretty much everything you said.
I am very happy to have TCU in the Big East. I am sure they did the calculations and figured out they'd make more money there. And I'm sure there's another invitee around the corner to make 10 football schools. It will make the whole conference better and make TCU's basketball program better...and hopefully for TCU, give their football program the anchor they need (BCS) to stay a football power.
...and they would have been 12-0 in the Big East this year too. They are legit...just hope they don't take Stanford's spot in the Rose Bowl, but it sure looks like they will.
I am very happy to have TCU in the Big East. I am sure they did the calculations and figured out they'd make more money there. And I'm sure there's another invitee around the corner to make 10 football schools. It will make the whole conference better and make TCU's basketball program better...and hopefully for TCU, give their football program the anchor they need (BCS) to stay a football power.
...and they would have been 12-0 in the Big East this year too. They are legit...just hope they don't take Stanford's spot in the Rose Bowl, but it sure looks like they will.
quote:And I'm sure there's another invitee around the corner to make 10 football schools.
Speculation that Villanova is going to make the jump. They currently play FCS football, but compete in the Big East for their other sports. They supposedly have an open invite to join the Big East for football...
TCU's move was well calculated, they'll finally get the BCS opportunity their fan base demands. The AD & their boosters know where the Frogs football team sit in the grand scheme. The Big East will provide that fast track, a track they'd never managed if they'd been invited to the Big 12.
Cheapseats, how many other sports does TCU compete in besides baseball & basketball?
Cheapseats, how many other sports does TCU compete in besides baseball & basketball?
Lets see... TCU move to Big East pretty much a no-brainer. Share 12m in tv revenue compared with 1.2m in the MWC. A conference with an AQ with BCS and immediately dominate a weak conference in football, basketball and baseball.
It would have been refreshing to hear TCU's AD call it for what it was. Instead you get the MWC was not the conference you had joined with the departure of Utah and BYU. No, now you have perenial A$$ kicker Boise State in your conference along with the addition of a ranked Nevada team and those over achieving Aztecs @ SDSU in football. And most certainly you don't want to have to try to hang with SDSU in basketball.
Mo tv money, larger bowl payouts and unconstested conferece championships. Why wouldn't you go
It would have been refreshing to hear TCU's AD call it for what it was. Instead you get the MWC was not the conference you had joined with the departure of Utah and BYU. No, now you have perenial A$$ kicker Boise State in your conference along with the addition of a ranked Nevada team and those over achieving Aztecs @ SDSU in football. And most certainly you don't want to have to try to hang with SDSU in basketball.
Mo tv money, larger bowl payouts and unconstested conferece championships. Why wouldn't you go
journey2 - I am not real familiar with TCA athletics but looking at their website they have 8 men's sports and 10 women's sports.
Men's sports - Baseball, Basketball, Cross Country, Football, Golf, Swimming & Diving, Tennis, Track & Field
Women's sports - Basketball, Cross Country, Equestrian, Golf, Rifle, S o c c e r, Swimming & Diving, Tennis, Track & Field, Volleyball
I think it is time to take out some stock in American Airlines, looks like there will be in an increase in airline travel to the "Right" Coast.
Men's sports - Baseball, Basketball, Cross Country, Football, Golf, Swimming & Diving, Tennis, Track & Field
Women's sports - Basketball, Cross Country, Equestrian, Golf, Rifle, S o c c e r, Swimming & Diving, Tennis, Track & Field, Volleyball
I think it is time to take out some stock in American Airlines, looks like there will be in an increase in airline travel to the "Right" Coast.
quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:...
I think it is time to take out some stock in American Airlines, looks like there will be in an increase in airline travel to the "Right" Coast.
Thanks, on the rundown, agree with you on AMR, Southwest isn't going to do the job for Big East destinations.
Do players get frequent flier miles on charters?
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
coach2709 - As a Pac-10 AND Big East fan (Stanford and Cincinnati...odd combo - huh?)...I agree with pretty much everything you said.
I am very happy to have TCU in the Big East. I am sure they did the calculations and figured out they'd make more money there. And I'm sure there's another invitee around the corner to make 10 football schools. It will make the whole conference better and make TCU's basketball program better...and hopefully for TCU, give their football program the anchor they need (BCS) to stay a football power.
...and they would have been 12-0 in the Big East this year too. They are legit...just hope they don't take Stanford's spot in the Rose Bowl, but it sure looks like they will.
Still think there is a danger here. I am sure they did the calculations and it all boiled down to one thing - football. This certainly ain't about basketball.
This is more complicated than just adding up bottom lines imho. Cal is in a superior football conference than even the Big East. With all that revenue and presitge however, Cal was not able to save their baseball nor other designated non-revenue producers.
Wooooo! Put on the brakes. Weak in basketball? The Big East one of the toughest basketball conferences in the country. Historically it might be considered the toughest from top to bottom.quote:A conference with an AQ with BCS and immediately dominate a weak conference in football, basketball and baseball.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:Wooooo! Put on the brakes. Weak in basketball? The Big East one of the toughest basketball conferences in the country. Historically it might be considered the toughest from top to bottom.quote:A conference with an AQ with BCS and immediately dominate a weak conference in football, basketball and baseball.
My bad. Got carried away with the rant.
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Rants will do that!
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Rants will do that!
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This has got to help recruiting efforts, especially in Basketball. But it will not be pretty the first year or two.
BTW, the Big East is an outstanding conference in all sports, maybe the best in basketball.
As far as Baseball and football where TCU is among the best... In order for TCU to win the Big East in baseball they will have to beat Louisville, among others. Far from a cake walk! Also, I don't think TCU will dominate as much as they have in football.
I'm not smart enough to figure out the economics, but this is a gigantic step in national recognition.
BTW, the Big East is an outstanding conference in all sports, maybe the best in basketball.
As far as Baseball and football where TCU is among the best... In order for TCU to win the Big East in baseball they will have to beat Louisville, among others. Far from a cake walk! Also, I don't think TCU will dominate as much as they have in football.
I'm not smart enough to figure out the economics, but this is a gigantic step in national recognition.
Jerry, it looks like you do a roundrobin of Big 10 team logos during football season. I look forward to you pinning on Nebraska's for a week next fall!