Does it occur or are you expected to know? If the latter, are there college coaches out there that still teach?
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quote:Originally posted by JUST_LEARNING:
are there college coaches out there that still teach?
Absolutely!
Tiger Paw Mom,
I traveled to Clemson twice this year. Drove by there facilities both times. Looks like a great place to play.
Can you elaborate some.
I traveled to Clemson twice this year. Drove by there facilities both times. Looks like a great place to play.
Can you elaborate some.
JUST LEARNING,
People often wonder why many freshman come in and don't play right away. On all levels.
The college game is quite different than HS.
Where there are some players that are able to see a start immediately, I think there are only a handfui who can. The object is to have success at that level, not fail.
In sons case, as a pitcher, with good mechanics and good stuff, there were adjustments to make, one big one was learning to throw a true slider, pacing self in the game and learning to go from starter to reliever and back again. The biggest thing as a pitcher was learning to communicate effectively to the defense. And many teams do have their way of doing things (their way)and that has to be learned. That's why at some schools there is endless practice, and instruction usually given in groups of 4. For everything you think you know, there is something that can be learned.
I also feel that son is learning some valuable life lessons taught by his head coach.
This is something that should be discussed during the recruiting process. Any player thinking that they know all about their position will probably be surprised to know they may not at the college level. They have to be willing to put aside old habits and begin again (sometimes).
The noun coach has many different implications, first should be he is a teacher. If you feel that you are not getting that, I would suggest another direction.
People often wonder why many freshman come in and don't play right away. On all levels.
The college game is quite different than HS.
Where there are some players that are able to see a start immediately, I think there are only a handfui who can. The object is to have success at that level, not fail.
In sons case, as a pitcher, with good mechanics and good stuff, there were adjustments to make, one big one was learning to throw a true slider, pacing self in the game and learning to go from starter to reliever and back again. The biggest thing as a pitcher was learning to communicate effectively to the defense. And many teams do have their way of doing things (their way)and that has to be learned. That's why at some schools there is endless practice, and instruction usually given in groups of 4. For everything you think you know, there is something that can be learned.
I also feel that son is learning some valuable life lessons taught by his head coach.
This is something that should be discussed during the recruiting process. Any player thinking that they know all about their position will probably be surprised to know they may not at the college level. They have to be willing to put aside old habits and begin again (sometimes).
The noun coach has many different implications, first should be he is a teacher. If you feel that you are not getting that, I would suggest another direction.
Think about it---in large high schools how many freshman come in and play right out of the gate ?---it is even tougher at the college level where every player is a HS All Star
I am finding the hardest thing for my son is the adjustment to playing a minor role in the teahs pitching rotation.
He is pitching in relief and 1+- inning at a time. He knew that going in but it is a hard adjustment for a pitcher to make no matter what thye logic is.
He knwos he has to do what he has to do. If he didn't want more I would be truely dissappointed in him.
He is pitching in relief and 1+- inning at a time. He knew that going in but it is a hard adjustment for a pitcher to make no matter what thye logic is.
He knwos he has to do what he has to do. If he didn't want more I would be truely dissappointed in him.
Sorry, been traveling the past two days.
I understand the playing (or not playing part)! I also understand coaches who do teach focus on their core players. My question involved teaching. So often I have heard this is lacking at the college level.
I understand the playing (or not playing part)! I also understand coaches who do teach focus on their core players. My question involved teaching. So often I have heard this is lacking at the college level.
BobbleheadDoll,
Probably harder for a position player. Even the best pitchers are usually non-factors in most games unless they are "the" closer ....... whereas a position player is used to being a contribitor every inning of every game.
Fungo
quote:it is a hard adjustment for a pitcher to make
Probably harder for a position player. Even the best pitchers are usually non-factors in most games unless they are "the" closer ....... whereas a position player is used to being a contribitor every inning of every game.
Fungo
Just learning,
I think there is some misunderstanding when it comes to teaching at the college level. Of course college coaches teach but you have to understand their goal is to win and everything they do is geared toward winning. I think college coaches look at their roster and look for two types of players....immediate impact players and future impact players. If a player does not fit either criterion why should they waste their time “teaching” him? I personally know of college players that have been on the roster for three years that have never taken live BP. “Fit” is very important and some players and parent ignore the signs going in and then seem to be surprised that they or their son is being overlooked. Of course I don't know whether these players aren't being taught or they aren't learning..
Fungo
I think there is some misunderstanding when it comes to teaching at the college level. Of course college coaches teach but you have to understand their goal is to win and everything they do is geared toward winning. I think college coaches look at their roster and look for two types of players....immediate impact players and future impact players. If a player does not fit either criterion why should they waste their time “teaching” him? I personally know of college players that have been on the roster for three years that have never taken live BP. “Fit” is very important and some players and parent ignore the signs going in and then seem to be surprised that they or their son is being overlooked. Of course I don't know whether these players aren't being taught or they aren't learning..
Fungo
Players who never got BP? That's scary.
Fungo,
Why would a coach recruit a player who doesn't fit either one of those descriptions? I do understand that things change after player get so school and the coaches can really see where the player fits in, but if he didn't in the first place why bother? That's the coaches fault.JMO.
Fungo,
Why would a coach recruit a player who doesn't fit either one of those descriptions? I do understand that things change after player get so school and the coaches can really see where the player fits in, but if he didn't in the first place why bother? That's the coaches fault.JMO.
quote:Even the best pitchers are usually non-factors in most games unless they are "the" closer
In the context of middle relief, it's a difficult role, but so is pinch hitting. Given that batters are much less successful than not, I agree.
The players I know about were both catchers/IF and were both walk-ons. I don't think they were recruited... They both saw limited use as pen catchers. I think most pitchers will get bullpen work under the supervision of the pitching coach but there are a few position players that get very little on field instructions. Of course all position players hit in the cages but the impact players are taught by the hitting coach using 1 on 1 to 4 on 1 instruction. Some players never get this attention. Some also don't get live BP on the field. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it does happen.
Fungo
Fungo