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OK, coaches, I need help with developing the arms of our HS program. The last few years, we’ve used the basics from the Jaeger long toss program. Some of the boys progressed nicely while the progress of others was quite disappointing. We do have some obstacles. Many of our players are multi-sport, so they are unable to join us until a week or two prior to the start of games (sometimes later). Some of those winter sport athletes are able to get some throwing in prior and some don’t. So, we have kids at different progression levels at most points in time during the first half of the season. We try to match up players accordingly during warm-ups/ long toss. We try to make sure everyone gradually builds up to something close to a max distance. We also have fairly small roster sizes with many two-way players, so we are particularly cautious with those arms. Due to a short practice season, we also have to cram in a lot of situational practices that involve throwing, so finding rest time is a challenge. Despite our efforts to work everyone gradually but regularly toward arm strength gains, we seem to come up short with a few too many of the players. We’ve tried LT daily. We’ve tried alternating LT and regular warm-up days. We seem to get the same results.

So...
Do you guys long toss every day as well as conduct normal practice? How do you deal with players at different levels of progression? Are any of you having similar problems with some players hitting a wall at a distance far too short (mechanics are fine- they just can’t get it out there and don’t make expected gains)? What routines are working best for you guys when it comes to arm strength development over the course of pre-season practice and into the season?
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IEBSBL,
Yeah, this could make for a whole other topic but I'll give you the basics...

Our school and a few other schools in our league are sort of "tweener" size. A relatively high percentage of the kids are multi-sport. Although CIF lifted restrictions on practice dates, etc., our school and others in our league (supposedly) have agreed to maintain some of the old guidelines (with some minor adjustments). I am told that it is the belief of our school board and administration that taking away these date restrictions would further push kids to become one-sport athletes and would enable coaches to pressure the kids to do so. This, in turn, could hurt the overall participation across sports at our school and otherwise diminish the experience for the kids.

Like I said, a whole other topic.
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Our school is in a similiar situation, but we have gone through numerous years now (knock,knock) without any arm injuries, we do long toss 2 days a week and players are required to do band work 3-4 days a week doing a version of the throwers ten excercises, we also go to the weightroom where players do light to medium weights, core excercises and on some days do the W,Y,T and I program. This has worked for us, some players have seen gains and some stay the same but we have had no one lose velocity and no one has had arm injuries, soreness has even been cutdown.

For your situational drills that we all do, even if arms aren't sore we do some walk throughs such as football, were the players go through the motions and try to use mind more than physical (it has worked for us) and fielding balls we have days where the players take fungoes galore but put ball in milk crate then run the crate in. But those are some things we do just to ease up on throwing, becuase no matter who you are you can't throw all the time.
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Originally posted by right arm of zeus:
...some players have seen gains and some stay the same...


Thanks Zeus. We do much of the same although there are a couple good new thoughts there to work on. This quoted part is what I am strugling with. Why would "some stay the same"? With the amount they throw off-season (generally minimal), they should all be making gains of some sort in my mind.
cabbagedad I'm not really sure if there is any type of scientific fact or reasoning behind what I'm going to say but this something I see a lot of in football. I think this also is what translates into what you're talking about because I've seen the same thing.

Over the years of coaching football I've seen kids work their rearends off in the weightroom. They are the ones who you are super proud of and hope others follow thier example. The thing is they just never get any stronger and some even go down in their weight totals. No idea what the reasoning is but I believe there are just some kids who genetically (or whatever) just can't improve. It's not that they aren't strong or able to throw to a degree but it's just that they don't really gain anything other than natural development gains although they work like dogs in the weightroom or in a long toss / pitching program.

I've coached at four schools (and two of them with football) and at all four I've seen this. In baseball there are those kids who work but never gain that much. In the two schools I've coached football it's a very small number but these kids just don't get stronger.

Obviously I'm not saying give up on them but I just think there are some kids who have reached their ceiling.

I hope this makes sense.
Thanks Coach, yes it does make sense and does offer some consolation. I just want to make sure we're doing everything we can within our constraints to move everyone forward toward maximizing their abilities. We don't have the same issue with hitters - all make at least some degree of progress over the season. I know there are inherent differences.
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Beginning Mondays & # Of Pitches To Be Thrown That Week
November 21st/22nd 15 Pitches @ 60% Of Max.
November 28th 15 Pitches Beginning Of The Week, Ending With 20
December 5th 20/25
December 12th 25/30 November 21st-December 7th=Fastballs & Changeups
December 19th 30/35 Two consecutive pens at a given number, then increase the third pen
December 27th 35/40
January 2rd 40/45 BREAKING BALLS BEGIN HERE (1 to every 4 fastballs to begin)
January 9th 50 Not Thrown At Once
January 16th 55
January 23rd 60
January 30th 65
February 6th 70
February 13th 75
February 20th 80
February 27th 85
March 5th 90
March 12th Opening Day


***Two Days Rest Up To 35 Pitch Pens
***Three Days Rest Between 40 & 60 Pitch Pens
***Four Days Rest Between 65 & 75/90 Pitch Pens
***Long Toss Is Incorporated In
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