What top Texas pitcher for 2006 draft just recently had TJ surgery? I saw on another website today (insideprepbaseball.com) that was the headline but of course to read it, you have to pay.
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The article is about Shawn Tolleson. He hasn't yet had the surgery but the article says he will have it ASAP. I for one wish Shawn the best and will be praying for a successful surgery and recovery.
If the report is true, I too hope ST has a complete and speedy recovery.
Very sad news for a fine young man who will no doubt be back pitching for Baylor before the year is out next season.
Keep Shawn in your prayers, he is a great kid with a strong faith that will serve him well.
Keep Shawn in your prayers, he is a great kid with a strong faith that will serve him well.
I have never seen Tolleson pitch, but have had many people tell me that he throws across his body really bad. I can understand why he needs TJ now because of it. This should be a wake-up call to any other pitcher out there that throw's across the body and doesn't get the lead foot planted in the right spot. It puts a tremendous amount of strain on the elbow. I wish Shawn a speedy recovery.
Old Pitcher,
I've enjoyed your posts until now and I'm sure you have good experience since you pitched in college or in the minors -- but perhaps you should abstain from "generic" technical advice concerning throwing mechanics, at least until you have seen a kid pitch. Your assessment could be interpreted as an indictment of his coaches, etc. -- which IMO is unfair. What happened to ST could happen to any kid that throws hard (even with perfect mechanics). Not all TJ is a result of an improper throwing motion. I did not pitch in college, but I have heard it said by those that have that throwing a baseball results in "unnatural" stress on the arm.
Shawn has a great baseball future -- I know everyone will feel heart-felt sympathy in hearing this news.
God's speed, ST.
-PD
I've enjoyed your posts until now and I'm sure you have good experience since you pitched in college or in the minors -- but perhaps you should abstain from "generic" technical advice concerning throwing mechanics, at least until you have seen a kid pitch. Your assessment could be interpreted as an indictment of his coaches, etc. -- which IMO is unfair. What happened to ST could happen to any kid that throws hard (even with perfect mechanics). Not all TJ is a result of an improper throwing motion. I did not pitch in college, but I have heard it said by those that have that throwing a baseball results in "unnatural" stress on the arm.
Shawn has a great baseball future -- I know everyone will feel heart-felt sympathy in hearing this news.
God's speed, ST.
-PD
PD, your comments are well said and Old Pitcher should take them to heart. Its amazing how the critics come out when something as sensitive as this occurs. Shawn good luck with your rehad; we are all pulling for you.
PD,
I wish Shawn nothing but the best and hope he has a speedy recovery. I know that having TJ is not the end of the world and he'll probably come out of this procedure throwing harder than he does now. Sorry if I stepped on any toes. That wasn't my intent, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. I just am going by what some people that have seen him pitch a lot have told me about his lead leg. They have told me that he throws across his body REALLY bad and my thoughts since I heard that have always been, someday he's going to have some arm trouble. It was just ironic to me to hear it now. I hate it for him because I know what having arm trouble is all about. I had 3 surgeries during my career and it really is not a fun thing to deal with. BTW, I never pitched in college!!
OP
I wish Shawn nothing but the best and hope he has a speedy recovery. I know that having TJ is not the end of the world and he'll probably come out of this procedure throwing harder than he does now. Sorry if I stepped on any toes. That wasn't my intent, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. I just am going by what some people that have seen him pitch a lot have told me about his lead leg. They have told me that he throws across his body REALLY bad and my thoughts since I heard that have always been, someday he's going to have some arm trouble. It was just ironic to me to hear it now. I hate it for him because I know what having arm trouble is all about. I had 3 surgeries during my career and it really is not a fun thing to deal with. BTW, I never pitched in college!!
OP
Such sad news. Having known and played with and against Shawn since I was little, I'm not sure you will find a better person than him, and pitcher for that matter. I wish him the best of luck in surgery and rehab.
OP,
To have 3 surgeries in your career you must have been doing alot wrong with your mechanics.
Be careful saying things if you have not seen it first-hand. IMO
To have 3 surgeries in your career you must have been doing alot wrong with your mechanics.
Be careful saying things if you have not seen it first-hand. IMO
Man, enough, get off of OP's case and let it go. It isn't like he was RIPPING Tolleson or anything!! C'mon guys and just drop it!!
It is unfortunate what happened to Sean but not the end of the world and not the end of his career just slows it down a little at worst. A scholarship to BU isn't a bad gig to fall back on.
It is unfortunate what happened to Sean but not the end of the world and not the end of his career just slows it down a little at worst. A scholarship to BU isn't a bad gig to fall back on.
I was hoping in my original post that I could get some dialogue going to help any other kids that may have trouble getting their lead leg open enough. The wording I used should have been a little different. I apologize to the Tolleson family and friend's if I offended anybody. I promise that was not my intent. Arm trouble is not something I would wish on anybody. Especially an 18 year old kid that could be a first round draft pick. That's all I was trying to accomplish. Like I've said a couple of times now, I have talked at length with pitching coaches that have seen him pitch and it's been a fact for a long time that he's thrown across his body. My own son has trouble with this very thing. It's a hard thing to change once you've done things a certain way for a long time. My 3 surgeries only included one on the shoulder. I had 3 tears that happened when I kept getting cortisone shots. It helped the pain, but not the problem. Anyone considering cortisone, DON'T do it. Please accept my apologies, I have no ill will toward anybody. Just some thoughts from an old pitcher that's been there and done that. Let's please move on now and say a little prayer for Shawn, he needs it I'm sure. I know that he must really be down right now. Shawn, if you read this, keep your head up. It's not the end of the world and you will be back better than ever soon. Thank you!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by slickfielder:
Man, enough, get off of OP's case and let it go. It isn't like he was RIPPING Tolleson or anything!! C'mon guys and just drop it!!
Slick,
I appreciate your post, but the way I worded the original, I can see how someone could take it that I was dissing ST. Not at all and far from it. He has a solid gold future and will be fine. Like you said, the TJ is just slowing his future down a little.
Man, enough, get off of OP's case and let it go. It isn't like he was RIPPING Tolleson or anything!! C'mon guys and just drop it!!
Slick,
I appreciate your post, but the way I worded the original, I can see how someone could take it that I was dissing ST. Not at all and far from it. He has a solid gold future and will be fine. Like you said, the TJ is just slowing his future down a little.
Old Pitcher,
You have been most kind and gracious in rescinding something that I personally did not take offense to either.
You have been most kind and gracious in rescinding something that I personally did not take offense to either.
I didn't mean to start anything with OP -- I just felt like the original post sounded like a bit of an accusation. And I know the athlete and his family have invested much in instruction, preparation, etc. I don't think it's necessary to dog-pile OP -- he has clarified his ideas on the subject.....and his recent posts are fine in my book (which means very little anyway).
Old Pitcher, sometimes we're all a little too sensitive.....I think we try to put ourselves in the athlete's position or his family's position. It seems you have been there and know the disappointment of a season-ending injury. I agree that ST will come back and, as was said, this isn't the end of his career -- far from it.
Let's move on.
Old Pitcher, sometimes we're all a little too sensitive.....I think we try to put ourselves in the athlete's position or his family's position. It seems you have been there and know the disappointment of a season-ending injury. I agree that ST will come back and, as was said, this isn't the end of his career -- far from it.
Let's move on.
Thank you PD, I appreciate it.
O.P. You would not happen to be a left handed "old pitcher" would you? Also, you have a PM.
LA...good guess! I'll see if I can figure out this PM thing!! I'm still a rookie!!
For what its worth OP, I knew your intentions all along. When they get to know you they slack off a bit. Now, UTPANAM thats a whole nother ballgame. He's an outcast and needs to be left alone. Siding with him will get ya in trouble. BTW You need some sleeping pills?
UTPA had several observers at yesterday's games in Duncanville -- probably interested in the Rock kids (who isn't???). 
SwingDoc.....You would think I'd need some, huh!! I've always been a night owl. I guess it's from all those years playin' ball til 10-11 at night and not able to get to bed til early morning!! I could talk baseball all day and night though. This message thing is fun!! (except for a few hours yesterday!!) 
(me, of course) 
Bye!!
(me, of course) Bye!!
momandcpa,
I appreciate your kind words, but like I said before, I could have worded the original post a little different and got my point across better! Have a great weekend! I'll be in Duncanville rootin' on those Rockwall Yellowjackets.
I appreciate your kind words, but like I said before, I could have worded the original post a little different and got my point across better! Have a great weekend! I'll be in Duncanville rootin' on those Rockwall Yellowjackets.
OP -- now that your "baptism by fire" is over and done with ..... WELCOME!! I don't think you're a rookie any longer, either. It's baseball season, so depending on what kind of day "the parents" have had will determine what feedback you get (....forget about the players and their ups and downs with the game)!
But, please -- try and be as controversial as you possibly can....I miss the drama of sitting in the stands with High School baseball player's parents!!
But, please -- try and be as controversial as you possibly can....I miss the drama of sitting in the stands with High School baseball player's parents!!
I wanted to publicly wish ST a speedy recovery. What this young man will go through physically and mentally in the next couple of years will be a gigantic challenge to say the least. But I can assure you, after coaching him for 2 summer seasons, if there is one person who could do it... it is Shawn Tolleson. His faith and hard work will no doubt get him back.
As far as the post on mechanics, there is no doubt that ST delivery was different. But I would not say he threw across his body.
This injury is mainly due the over use of the particular ligament.
Shawn, I wish you the best. I have left a message for you with your mom. If you need anything you have my number.
As far as the post on mechanics, there is no doubt that ST delivery was different. But I would not say he threw across his body.
This injury is mainly due the over use of the particular ligament.
Shawn, I wish you the best. I have left a message for you with your mom. If you need anything you have my number.