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Splintering off from another thread to start this topic, one that’s always bothered me:  The Courtesy Runner for the Catcher

There’s three main reasons to use the courtesy pinch runner for the catcher:  get in a faster runner, save the catcher’s legs, speed up the game.

  1. Get in a faster runner.  This is the only time it really makes any sense to me, to use the courtesy runner for the catcher.
  2. Save the catcher’s legs.  Yes, perhaps the PR provides some benefit to provide the catcher a break?  But, he also gets breaks during offensive innings where he is not batting.  So, how many breaks does he need?  Also, is having him sit the couple of times that he reaches base in a game worth the trade-off of the catcher never gaining any base running experience because you always pinch run for him?
  3. Speed up the game.  With less than two outs, if you run for the catcher, there’s no impact in speeding up the game.  If he’s on base, retired on base, or scores a run with less than two outs, there’s still plenty of time for him to get his gear on before the start of his defensive inning.  How about with two outs?  Even there, I call BS on running for the catcher to speed up the game.  If the catcher is the last batter (3rd out) of the inning, you’re still waiting on him.  Is there any difference between waiting because he was the last batter or because he was on base when the last out occurred?  Also, doesn’t a team have more than one catcher?  Why can’t a catcher who is not playing go and warm up the pitcher at the change of sides if you’re waiting for a catcher to put on his gear?  And, speaking of gear, it’s really just shin guards.  If the catcher is pinch-run for, and back on the bench, more than likely he’s just putting on his shin guards.  He’s not going to sit on the bench in full catcher’s gear.  Either way, at the start of the next defensive inning, he’s going to put on his chest protector and helmet.  And, that probably takes around 6 to 8 seconds.  How about the shin guards?  A good, experienced, and true catcher can probably get his shin guards on in roughly 15 seconds or less.  That all said, how long does it take a catcher (who knows what he’s doing) to put on his full gear?  It’s should be less than one minute.  Is that really all that much time?  Because you are worried about the one or two minutes that it should take a catcher to put on his gear, you’re going to run for him when he’s on base?

I’m sorry, but, the courtesy runner for the catcher might be one of the dumbest rules in play – unless you’re just looking for a loophole to use to get a faster runner in the game.  You are not really saving any time – unless the catcher is a lazy sloth in terms of getting his gear on – and, while you might think you are saving his legs, it comes at the cost of robbing him experience on how to learn to run the bases.

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I'm not a fan as my son is a great baserunner. His HS coach will leave him in unless he's on first with 2 out. I see coaches use it more to get kids into the game who don't play much more than to get a faster runner out there. I don't have a huge problem with this idea, but again my son is the one taken off the bases for a CR.

Your time saving argument makes sense, but I've seen plenty of kids take their time getting out there.

Every coach is different in how they use this rule.  It allows for slower catchers which is normally the case.  it does give them time to get ready.  If you don't run for them, then you cannot complain as a coach when the umpire does not give your pitcher adequate time to get warmed up.  You would be surprised how many teams do not have a substitute catcher warm up the pitcher.  I would disagree that the catcher with two outs should have full gear on except helmet.   The pitcher and catcher should be the first ones on the field as soon as the last out is made.  Legally you only have 1 minute to warm up between innings but most umpires will give you plenty of time to throw your warmup pitches as long as there is someone there to catch the pitcher.  I know a lot of umpires that will not give them their full time or hold it against a team that does not have someone ready to warmup pitcher or if the pitcher is not out there right after the last half inning is over.  It was all for a speedup rule and many leagues are making the teams use CR for pitchers and catchers, no choice.  My son was always allowed to run for himself as a pitcher during school ball and mostly during summer if he was hitting for himself.  But he always knew he had to get ready quickly when the third out was made and usually had someone running his gear to him.

It's at the coach's discretion, there have been plenty of times where my catcher was a good baserunner and I didn't courtesy run for him.

As far as it not slowing games down to have catchers run, though, I'm not sure I agree. Maybe with older kids there's not much difference, but I can't even count how many times I've had to wait for an inning to start because the catcher (mine or the other team's) was putting on gear. It's a real thing.

In the South Texas heat, my son loves that there is an option. Working behind the dish then running the bases to go right back behind the dish when it is over 100 degrees can become taxing. He does love running the bases but, if he can get some time in the shade to cool off, he would be taking that option. This may not apply in other areas of the country.

Do they not enforce the batter's box rule in NY?  They do everywhere we have been in the South at least 90% of the time in HS.  Very rarely do you have a batter step out of the box with both feet and if they have not been given timeout the umpire allows the pitcher to pitch.  The batters box rule is pretty well enforced throughout the South and midwest where I have been for the past 20 years.  Travel ball is different but they normally play by MLB rules which do not have a batters box rule.

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@Francis7 posted:


  1. Save the catcher’s legs.  Yes, perhaps the PR provides some benefit to provide the catcher a break?  But, he also gets breaks during offensive innings where he is not batting.  So, how many breaks does he need?  Also, is having him sit the couple of times that he reaches base in a game worth the trade-off of the catcher never gaining any base running experience because you always pinch run for him?

The only time I've seen a courtesy runner for a catcher is in PG tournaments, USA Baseball and the like.  It's usually 90+ degrees while playing multiple games in a day, and while you may think of this as saving his legs, it is saving his whole body including his arm, which has to work harder when his legs get fatigued.  While most position players are standing around for all but 8-10 chances in a game, the catcher is squatting, blocking, backing up 1st, etc for 150+ pitches.  I think it's a good option to offer a catcher to give him a much needed break... not dumb at all.

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