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I probably post this same thing every year on this day. If I do, I apologize.

We made cuts this morning. We cut almost 50 kids! My staff and I were up at school last night until about 11:15pm. We went over all our data from testing them on Friday. We went over every at bat from our intra-squads that we had, not only the last 4 days, but since August in the baseball class. We video taped the enitre first day of tryouts and watched it again.

With it being my first year here, I decided to keep all 20 Seniors that have been in the program all 3 years. Sure, I could have cut the ones that were not returning lettermen that were not going to contribute much. To me though, if you are not going to cut a kid after 3 years, you don't cut him as a Senior...but that's just me. So I pulled 6 of them into my office a few weeks ago and told them what their role would be. I told them to expect little if any playing time after scrimmages (assuming the starters and back-ups were playing up to their capabilities). If they would accept their role and be a positive member of the team, then I'd have a uniform for them. If not, then they had to make the choice because I am not going let the fact that there is 20 seniors decide what underclassmen I would keep. So if I have to carry 27-28 this year, so be it, I'll deal with it! Happily, all 6 accepted the terms and agreed.

So, in order to avoid having 20 Seniors again, we had some tough decisions to make regarding our Juniors and Sophomores. We cut some kids that have some ability, but they are very similar to the 6-7 seniors that we talked to. When I look at a junior or sophomore, I look to see what position they play, who else is there that is already on varsity (ahead of them) and what Freshman we kept that we feel are already better than them. If that Junior or Sophomore is not going to start on JV, and we feel we have a freshman, or two, or more, that are better...then I need to cut him now. Not saying that this is the best way to do it. I feel it is the best thing for the program.

So, this morning we handed out letters that were sealed in envelopes to every kid that came to tryouts. I am not a "post a list" guy. First off, that is a violation of a students privacy and is against the FERPA Regualations! At the schools I've been at in the past, I've met face to face, one on one, with every kid. Here, there are too many kids to do that with so I did the letters.

I have been in their shoes before, both making the team and not making the team. I have received the proverbial tag in the locker, bus ticket and peanut butter sandwich for home. No reason, no explanation, no thank you. Each kid can make an appointment to speak to me before school. I already spoke to a few this morning. About 10 minutes after we started handing out the letters, I got a text from a Freshman parent that "did not understand. My son pitched well." First off, I'm not going to answer a text. Call me, email me, don't text me. Sure, he pitched well, so did 15 other kids. This kid only faced 1 kid that was kept, and he got him out. The rest of the kids he faced were cut. He could not field at his other position, struck out half the time, and did not hit the ball out of the infield. So, on the surface, to the non-objective parent, he pitched well. But to the coaches, who have way more information at hand...it was good, just not good enough. If you are a pitcher only as a Freshman...and you are not throwing 85+...Really?

Anyway, I have a bunch of emails and phone calls to return. Hopefully I can mix in a little time with my varsity and get them ready for their scrimmage...which is now 6 days away!

I wish everyone the best of luck this year.
"Write your own book instead of reading someone else's book about success." - Herb Brooks
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Funneldrill, I don't envy your position. It's gotta be tough handing out bad news to 50 kids and dealing with the questions and frustrations that ensue.

Thanks for posting so everyone can understand what the process looks like.

A comment: I think it's very honorable that you sat down all the less talented seniors you are keeping and explained the situation to them. My son's high school coach kept one less talented senior who had played all 3 years, but didn't explain anything to him. The player oftentimes was prohibited from practicing with the other varsity players and got a grand total of 1 AB the entire season. The parents became very embittered as the season wore on and angrily called the spring their son's "off season." If the coach had explained this senior's role at the outset, it could have prevented a lot of hard feelings.
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Thanks infield08. Communication is the key! In this day and age where we can communicate with each other so easily...kind of like this message board...there is no reason not to.

My players know where they stand. Every kid in program, sophomore-senior, knows where they stand. They might not like it. But they know, and they know that they have the power to change it!
fd,

I very top-notch handling of a tough situation, not surprised with you though.

I will echo Infield08's thoughts here though. In the three previous seasons, the prior coach kept non-starter seniors on the premise that they accepted their role. The first year, there was only one and he was fine as a courtesy runner. The next year, there were five and the dugout was a disaster. Kids were complaining the whole season, especially during district play.

Last year, there were 4 and one quit in April during practice and cussed the coach. The other 3 were a pain, but some of the leaders helped minimize it, but it still affected the dugout.

This year with a new coach, he had 4 again. He cut three and kept one as a bullpen catcher/emergency catcher. He is ok with that role, and with one guy, it should be fine as he won't have a "bench buddy" to complain to.

It takes a special player to accept that role as a senior for 4 months. The more you keep, the more they start griping on the bench. I hope your guys honor their commitment to you and stay a positive influence.
tychco,

Yes, it is a risk. Carrying 27 kids means that there will always be 17-18 not playing. Which means there are 17-18 sets of parents sitting there not watching their kids play. I told those kids that if they choose to be a poisonous snake on the bench, then their uniform would be taken up. Everybody in an uniform is important and has a role. Some start, some courtesy run, some pitch relief, some are bullpen catchers, some steal signs, some chart our pitcher, some chart their pitcher, all are in charge of morale...everybody will have something to do!

PD, we will be at East next Tuesday. You know where to find me!
I agree winning cures most ills, but not all. My 2000 team at FW Nolan Catholic is the best team I have ever coached. We had 4 D1 signee Seniors and 4 more that were juniors.

We were 27-2 at the time, was #1 all year in the Private School State Poll, were even nationally ranked in one poll. We won district, the 1st at Nolan in some time and we were about to play Duncanville in a playoff tune-up game for the ages! My Athletic Director (a basketball coach so I will use that term loosely Wink) comes to me and says that there is a problem in the stands (I'm thinking there was a fight or someone cussed an umpire). The parents are sitting in cliques and that I need to do something about it. Turns out it was the kids parents that were not playing that were sitting together and apparently the AD overheard them griping about playing time.

My response was, "I only care about the attitude of the kids on the field, not the over grown kids and the stands!" I walked away and went to coach third base (yes, he came to talk to me during a game!). You see, funneldrill was not always such a deep thinker, sensible, and a rational guy! The relationship between me and the AD (once again I use that term loosely Wink) was never the same! Go figure!
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I agree winning cures most ills, but not all.


I concur. I think the problem can be exacerbated when you have a team deep with talent and there's not that much difference in ability between a starter and his back-up. It's awfully hard for the parents of those back-ups. Even if their head is telling them one thing, their emotions can sometimes eat away at their self-control.

My son's team went to regional finals last year and, believe me, we still heard griping.
Funnel,

I wish you luck. I hope the path you've taken works out for you.

It sounds like you definately have a genuine care for the whole process and program.

Although, I've found communication can go against you at times as well. It's a risk, but a worthy one in my opinion.

As long as you believe in what your doing, act on it without deviating from the plan, stay strict with no remorse, you and your boys will be fine.

Just be prepared to throw the hammer down.

Because when it's all said and done, chances are only a few will play college ball, none will play professional ball, and most are worried about the tail in the stands versus the scoreboard at this age and level.

So, when it's all said and done, your providing an experience and avenue of growth for 28 young men. Only a few will take the experience to another level and that's fine.

And that's life.

PS (I would have cut them like a rare steak Smile but I'm mean.)
FD,

I have a freshman on the other side of town but he has played with and against many of those that you had try out. I think the envelopes were a great way to handle an unpleasant/uncomfortable situation for these boys. I know there is no way around the heartbreak that those not making it must feel but there's not much that you can do. My son heard from several former teammates that they had made it so he was happy for them. He's needing to call one who didn't but he's going to give it a few days.

This is my third and last to go through the process and its not any easier this time. Good luck this season and I'm sure Marcus will do well!
The 2000 Nolan team was a great team. You should have beat Duncanville that night!

The player/ Coach dynamic is always a difficult one. #1 son played for FD for 3 years and it was not always the best relationship. But now they have a very good relationship and have a much better understanding of how difficult it for a player and coach to communicate when things are not going as well as each of them would like.

As I have always told Splinter, there is no baseball coach I have ever met that is more passionate about the game than FD. I wish #2 son had had the opportunity to play for him.
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I am not a "post a list" guy. First off, that is a violation of a students privacy and is against the FERPA Regualations!


Could you provide a little more information? I'm not familiar with that regulation. I'm just a booster club parent but I'd like to try to help make sure our coaches are doing the right thing.

Thanks
FD
You're doing it the right way. But, IMO, no matter what the number ~ we always had that one on one with them. Cutting a player and having him leave with as much, or more self esteem that he came to tryouts with is the key. We had our ducks in a row with strengths as well as weaknesses. We never compared him to another player as that would open a road we didn't want to travel on. I know that you or any other ball coach on this forum has spent the last 5 or 6 nights wide awake. If they didn't ~ nevermind.
One last suggestion: In your one on one discussions bring in a young coach just to listen and learn. If they want to be a head coach someday, the experience will be very valuable.
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Originally posted by BillBill:
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I am not a "post a list" guy. First off, that is a violation of a students privacy and is against the FERPA Regualations!


Could you provide a little more information? I'm not familiar with that regulation. I'm just a booster club parent but I'd like to try to help make sure our coaches are doing the right thing.

Thanks


FERPA refers to The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records. The law applies to all schools that receive funds under an applicable program of the U.S. Department of Education.

FERPA gives parents certain rights with respect to their children's education records. These rights transfer to the student when he or she reaches the age of 18 or attends a school beyond the high school level. Students to whom the rights have transferred are "eligible students."

My wife is a High School Principal. She says there is no difference in posting a cut list and a teacher posting students grades. The students have a right to privacy, whether it be their grades, or whether or not they made the baseball team. If a parent wanted to raise a stink for a coach posting a cut list, they would have a case.

I am alot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Neither is my wife, or she would not be principal of a 5A High School.
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Curious, FD -- how do you rate the talent you cut? Did you cut good players?


We definitely did at the Freshman level. We kept 21 Freshman total. There were about 7-9 kids that we kept trying to make a case for. After rating them 1 thru... at every position, we had to draw a line somewhere. Of those 9 kids, all would have made my last Freshman team at Summit. I would bet another 5-6 would have made it as well.

Our most agonizing decisions came with our sophomores and juniors. Several were in the program last year. Once again, a line has to drawn somewhere in regards to a kid's strengths and weaknesses. Of the kids that we cut that were in the program last year, I believe they all would have made the team at my last school that I was at.

The thing that I have been overwhelmed about since I got here is the quality of depth that we have here. It says a great deal about the quality of baseball in this part of the metroplex especially when you look at the other schools in our district that we have to compete against.
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The thing that I have been overwhelmed about since I got here is the quality of depth that we have here.


A great thing for the coach and the program, but hard for the back-ups and those who are cut. My son's former high school, which has a lot of depth, has one player who just verballed to a D3 and will not be starting even as a senior.
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The thing that I have been overwhelmed about since I got here is the quality of depth that we have here.


A great thing for the coach and the program, but hard for the back-ups and those who are cut. My son's former high school, which has a lot of depth, has one player who just verballed to a D3 and will not be starting even as a senior.


I agree. This will be a new challenge for me.
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Originally posted by reggie-3-77:
The 2000 Nolan team was a great team. You should have beat Duncanville that night!

The player/ Coach dynamic is always a difficult one. #1 son played for FD for 3 years and it was not always the best relationship. But now they have a very good relationship and have a much better understanding of how difficult it for a player and coach to communicate when things are not going as well as each of them would like.

As I have always told Splinter, there is no baseball coach I have ever met that is more passionate about the game than FD. I wish #2 son had had the opportunity to play for him.


Coach Cantrell is smiling... Spitting out Beechnut but smiling... The world needs more FD's

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