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very irritated at the college recruiting process.

Kid at my youngest sons high school.
A senior. Middle infielder.

Does everything right.
Great student.
Great family.
Great team player.

Excellent baseball player. Can run - hit and play defense.
One of the best - if not the best - player on the team for the last 3 years.
Can play at any level - and wants to play at any level.

Has done nothing but prove himself every where he plays - including as a sophomore on varsity at a school with 4,000 students.

Gets virtually no interest.

Why? - because he hasnt gone to the "right" places or played for the "right" summer team or had the "right" connections - and hasnt gotten any help from anyone.

I have seen dozens of players that arent even close to this guy - baseball wise or academically or character - get tons of interest.

And this guy has virtually none.

It ****es me off.
It really does.

If this is an example of the college baseball recruiting process - then I know in my heart the process still sucks.

This kid would be a great asset to any college team - and he really would love to stay in the NC/SC area.

If anyone out there wants more info. please PM me.
You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
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Why? - because he hasnt gone to the "right" places or played for the "right" summer team or had the "right" connections - and hasnt gotten any help from anyone.


He is pretty much invisible unless he has played on a top 20 summer team and/or "showed" up at the right showcases at $500 a pop.

Colleges have a maximum of two (2) paid assistants who account for everything from academic compliance to recruiting to scouting and ...oh yeah..coaching. Untold dozens of excellent players fall through the cracks when kids "found" at the right venues get offers.

It ain't a perfect system.
if this web-site has not taught me anything --it has made me realize that we are not alone in this process. On another blog a man told me that luck has a lot to do with it. So do you tell this boy your a Div 1 talent but your just not lucky???
Some kids fly just below everyones radar---is that bad luck or is it that some highschool coaches don't feel that getting their players on to the next level is part of their job description? Is it about the kids or has become about the coaches and what our kids can do for them---that helps them win State Titles and in turn eventually gets them (coaches)on to the next level! You are on your own in this matter in most cases---all it will take is one coach that will put a good word in for this kid...it seems that "head coach" makes an opinion of a player God's word to other coaches. Tell this boy to keep working hard and the cream always rises to the top---you might have to churn awhile but he will eventually get his chance to shine---stay tough!
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Why? - because he hasnt gone to the "right" places or played for the "right" summer team or had the "right" connections - and hasnt gotten any help from anyone.


He is pretty much invisible unless he has played on a top 20 summer team and/or "showed" up at the right showcases at $500 a pop.

Colleges have a maximum of two (2) paid assistants who account for everything from academic compliance to recruiting to scouting and ...oh yeah..coaching. Untold dozens of excellent players fall through the cracks when kids "found" at the right venues get offers.

It ain't a perfect system.


Dad - I hear ya - but I would be embarassed (by myself) if I didnt try to help this kid avoid falling through the cracks.

As for the system - I agree it isnt perfect and in many cases like this - it sucks. IMO.
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Bob,

Should a high school coach help his kids get into college? Yes they should.

Can a high school coach get his kids into college? Probably not.

College coaches usually don't listen to high school coaches. They want to see the player for themself before passing judgement (or scholarship). Usually the college coach has no clue who the high school coach is and won't just take their word for it.

Sometimes you run into a very well respected high school coach who might be able to make a phone call and get a kid a scholarship but it's very rare.

If you want to get a scholarship or get onto a college team then you better get out there and do the work.
ITS

Might I suggest private messaging PGStaff with a brief of the situation, like you gave above, and also the kids name and maybe phone number/address.

Also, it might be worthwhile at this late date to generate a bio type page and send it to everyone and their brother in the coaching community.

If you want to PM me his name and school...I'll pass the word, albeit mostly folks in the state of florida.
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Gets virtually no interest.

Why? - because he hasnt gone to the "right" places or played for the "right" summer team or had the "right" connections - and hasnt gotten any help from anyone.


It's definitely a pity, but we can't exactly blame the "system." This may be a poor analogy, but imagine someone who wants to get hired as a paralegal. She fails to send resumes to law firms and does not make calls to schedule an interview. Instead, she goes to a job fair with potential employers such as the municipal transit company, retailers, and fast food restaurants. Not surprisingly, she never does get that paralegal job. Is it right for her to blame the "system" for her misfortune?

Whenever we want anything, we have to take active steps to achieve our goal. If we want to attend a college, we need to take the ACT or SAT, apply to the university, and make sure our transcript is sent in. If we want a certain job, we need to do various things to get it.

Granted, there is a lot more information out there about applying to colleges and getting a job, but it is not that hard to find out information about baseball recruiting. If one googles "baseball recruiting," the link to HSBBW is at the top of the second page. If one googles "college baseball recruiting," the link to HSBBW is the fourth one down on the first page. For technologically-savvy teenagers, this should not be all that difficult.

Even if this player hasn't played for the "right" summer team, he has had -- and still has -- abundant opportunities for free or low-cost exposure. Here are four ideas:

1. He can attend free pro tryouts in his area in May and June and introduce himself to the scouts there, telling them what his goals are. Following is a post from a Washington Nationals scout's website: "I receive several phone calls each day from college coaches looking for players. These calls range from Division 1 coaches to junior colleges. If you have the desire to play, send me an email including the following: name, school, position, sat/act scores (extremely important), address, phone, email. A lot of coaches want to know the test scores. If i have seen you play i will also include a recommendation. No guarantees, but it will get your name circulated. As of today, we have had seven players receive or talking to colleges through our high school hitting nights, games, etc...plus many more that have been contacted after the scouts showcase."

2. He can attend low-cost camps or free tryouts at area junior colleges, who usually are still looking for players in the spring and summer of a player's senior year. I know of one D1 in Texas that charges $30 for its camp and one in Oklahoma that charges $50. I know of several JUCO's in Texas that hold free tryouts in late spring and summer. Surely, there are similar programs in the Southeast that this player can contact.

3. He can call, email, or write the recruiting coordinators of programs he is interested in and give them his playing schedule for the spring and summer. He can give them names and numbers for his references (high school and summer coaches, etc.).

4. He can post his information in the "Unsigned Players" portion of this website.

I am very optimistic about this player's chances because he already has you, itsinthegame, on his side. Surely, everything will turn out fine for him in the end and I hope you will update us all with the results!
Here is one more.

6'4 inch righthanded pitcher. Great pitchers body - long and lean. Smooth mechanics.

Young senior in high school.

Throws heat - real upper 80's - great offspeed pitch.
As smart a youth pitcher as I have seen in years.

Played very competitive baseball in the summer/fall for the last 3 years.

Better - and more projectible - than any other pitcher signed in this county. And it is a very very big county.

Academics - off the chart. Ivy League type numbers.
Very interested in Engineering.

He did not get into MIT - which was disappointing - but he can pitch as well as he grades out on his academics.

Once again - beyond belief that he isnt signed yet.

Dont believe me? - I will be more than glad to give you info on him in a PM.

BTW - I saw him pitch tonight - Finals of mid-season High School tournament at the Kannapolis (Single A) stadium.

About the 20th game I have seen him pitch the last 3 years. He took his game to the mound - against an undefeated team - and blew them right off the field.

No contest.
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its-
I agree that the collegiate recruiting trends as they stand today are far from perfect. The fact that a player has to be seen at the right type of showcase or on an elite summer team is frustrating.

There are more than a few good reasons why really talented baseball athletes are not able to do those things, finances, multi sport commitments, family situations - even just being somewhat unaware of what they should be doing. Many just don't know, or feel closed off from opportunities. It could be that college baseball is missing a whole lot of guys out there because of the current dependency of collegiate recruiters on showcases. Now, PG will be the first one to say that whomever attends a showcase is still rated on their tool set, so the ones that are lacking certain ability are rated as such. So, in other words, a player is not going to be a canidate for recruiting unless he possesses the proper talent/tools. Showcasing alone does not a recruite make. However, if a recruiter or scout is not out looking everywhere for talent, I just don't think they are doing the best job they can. Attending showcases does have a cost to it, sure you can argue that a scout or recruiter can accomplish a lot more by seeing hundreds of players all at once - economical right? Maybe, but out of those hundreds, I am just guessing here, but the really very talented ones are already known, and are probably going to be recruited or signed anyway. So, to me it would make more sense to be more creative, be looking places others aren't. I am not saying this does not ever happen, it probably does with some programs.
In my own personal experience I have seen some solid, but not great players who have showcased a lot, been on a popular summer travel team (maybe didn't even play that much on the team)and their stock as recruits was elevated, although there talent was not. It seems the talent pool they are observing and rating is becoming watered down.

I hope things work out for this young man, who seemingly on your evaluation, is a fine prospect. I truly believe someone will take a look, just from this site alone, an opportunity will open up for him.

Good things happen to good people. I know good things happened for my son who never showcased before being asked to be on a scout team at the end of his junior year. Everything happened for him in about a 2 month time frame in the fall of his senior year - without doing anything besides legion ball. So, just a word of encouragment - it only takes one guy out there looking for the ones flying under the radar to make things happen.

Good luck, and thanks Its, for trying to help a guy out. Good on ya.
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Mike Piazza was a 62nd round draft pick of the dodgers because his god-father was Tommy Lasorda. Mike could hit well at Pheonixville HS but wasn't much of a defensive player.... Yet he is in my opinion the greatest hitting catcher of all time (and i did watch Bench) and a sure fire ist ballot HOF yet he was picked in 62nd round.
There are many more very talented players than there are college opportunities, you have to be lucky as well as good unless you are exceptional. I am sure their are plenty of players who people think are better than my kid not getting a scholarship, heck I think there are some better on some days. But on other days, not even close. At least in the northwest, many guys have to leave the area to get a spot somewhere, and are undoubtedly taking a spot from some local player.

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