Throwing after lifting 8th grade

I know I am quite sore the day after lifting.   Not sure how it is for someone his age.   Body needs one day of recovery from what I have studied.   Maybe a little more Google research is needed.

My son started lifting after 8th grade. He should listen to his body, there is a difference between sore and fatigued. If my kid is sore, he can still throw, when fatigued his mechanics are off and does not throw

I would let his body get used to his weight training for a few weeks. Then he could begin throwing, but we always just avoided throwing on  "upper body" days".  Set your schedule so that he can get his throwing in on "leg" days" or "AB/Core" days.

I've always heard if doing both to try and lift after throwing. Idea being is to not throw while fatigued if you can help it. Read some of Eric Cressey's stuff. My 2020 will frequently lift right after pitching, or if not the next day. He says it helps him recover quicker.

Here is my suggestion.  Get a notebook/calendar/spreadsheet whatever.  At the end of each day, have him write down his lifts (what, how many sets, reps, weights) and how much throwing (50 pitch bullpen/warmed up reg infield throws/long toss with pull downs).  Study up, read/listen to podcasts Cressey (like NYCDAD) or anything else you can.  Get your son to do it if interested, but don't force him.  Get him to document and learn as much as possible.  

If he has a tolerance for it, add in how many hours he sleeps a night, how much he studied, what he ate for the day.  

Any kind of documentation you can get him to do will greatly help him later.  He may not be ready for it.  If you are documenting, it kind of misses the point. But to each his own.

If you could convert this into him planning in a couple of years, you will have struck gold.

My son lifts after throwing, not before... I know there are a majority of college & pro players who lift before Baseball activities, and before throwing, however my kid is 16 years old, not an adult

Thanks for the advice.  Son is in 8th grade.  Just turned 14

Dadof3

So, every kid is different.  You've been given some very good advice by NYCDad and Go44Dad as it relates to tracking your son's workouts and recovery.   Too often recovery is overlooked.   I would follow their advice and I would educate myself quickly on what others have done and suggest around this area.   Another resource is the American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) http://asmi.org/ and forums at http://asmiforum.proboards.com/.   

My three son's were two way players in high school but none played football.  They did lift weights in the off-season when they were not throwing on a mound (mid-Oct through mid January).   My oldest son was a college pitcher and it was all about flexibility above the waist (no weights, only band work and some yoga) and weights below the waist.  He added 15-20 lbs his freshmen year in his legs and @ss.   I understand position players are different, and I think you need to find that throwing program/weight lifting program happy medium as your son fills out and grows into an adult.   Based on your question, I think you realize this is a possible conflict/issue now and down the road.   I applaud you for asking the question.   Good luck with the answers.

As always, JMO.

Young athletes who do a good job of getting decent sleep and eating plenty of calories are incredibly resilient. If he was pitching more, I would say that you need to be more careful. I would be far more concerned with the quality of the strength training program and the attention to detail with 8th graders technique in weight room. If it is a quality program and well coached, then your son just needs to do a good job of communicating with coaches and yourself if he is noticing any arm fatigue, pain, or unusual soreness.