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Son is a 2017. Playing JV at school with Freshman, JV, & Varsity teams. Only 9th grade & up can try out so he's "playing up". Hasn't performed as well as anticipated this year but not bad. Was hitting lower 80's last time he was gunned. Hasn't been clocked recently but I'd guess he's probably only about mid 70's now. Has gone non stop since last January with only a brief rest for a mild case of tendonitis in the fall. Prior to last year he'd taken two breaks of 6-7 weeks during the year. Had always been a two way player prior to school ball but mostly limited to pitching now. Gets limited time in the field & plate appearances now but most likely a PO starting next year. He's always been a solid hitter & led his travel team in most stastical hitting categories last spring & previous year. I know he misses the field play & hitting. I think it would be a good idea to encourage him to move to position play & hitting only for summer & take a break from pitching. I've spoken to his travel coach who will allow but haven't suggested yet to my son. Is this a good idea or bad? Think it would be fun for him & give him a rest.
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Not an issue of pitching not being his thing. He's worked with private instructor for about 3 1\2 years. Not able to go to instructor once practice starts due to lack of time and needed rest from pitching games\bullpens. His command and control is a little off & think he's taking some off to compensate. I just think it would be good to get him off the mound for a while. Since he likely won't do anything but pitch after this year  the summer could be his last houg-ragh. He'd still be playing & know he won't give up his long toss. I think it would be good for him both mentally & physically. Plan would be to start back with instructor around mid July to prepare for fall season.

As an incoming Freshman that was throwing low eighties he is in a great spot ... If there is no pain/discomfort and his velo has dropped 7-8 mph in a few months (?) I would be concerned with his mechanics.  Does his instructor videotape?  A good side by side video analysis with his low eighties mechanics should reveal some new found flaws.  I can attest that kids that age are prone to unconsciously developing very small bad habits that can have big changes on velocity and control.  

 

If you're set on him taking time off the mound, that's fine and it's your call, but I would also consider a new set of eyes from a quality pitching instructor.

He's got a good instructor but can't go during season. He's still capable of cranking it up & throwing faster.,was talking about my observations on game speed; think he's taking some off to compensate for control/command. I may be off on my game speed observations; my comparison is based on past performance & it doesn't look like he's throwing as hard. His bullpens were clocked, games have not been.

Are you saying he is a PO now on his JV team as a Freshman?  I have always said, the best way to keep from being a PO is to hit...coaches cannot keep a good stick out of the lineup, even at the biggest of schools.  If he leads his summer team in offensive stats, I can't imagine that the level of competition of his summer team would be lower than HS, normally summer ball is much more competitive than HS.  What am I missing?

 

I am wondering why he has to choose between pitching, or playing the field, especially as a 2017.

Originally Posted by Billy19:
Not an issue of pitching not being his thing. He's worked with private instructor for about 3 1\2 years. Not able to go to instructor once practice starts due to lack of time and needed rest from pitching games\bullpens. His command and control is a little off & think he's taking some off to compensate. I just think it would be good to get him off the mound for a while. Since he likely won't do anything but pitch after this year  the summer could be his last houg-ragh. He'd still be playing & know he won't give up his long toss. I think it would be good for him both mentally & physically. Plan would be to start back with instructor around mid July to prepare for fall season.

I think your idea may be fine but I also think you may want to separate the issues.  He enjoys being a position player, so trying to arrange summer ball so he can do more of that isn't a bad thing.  Getting him a bit of a break from pitching may not be a bad thing.  However, I would want to find out what the cause is behind the velo drop.  You have some ideas and you have an instructor that has worked with him for a long time.  I would start by getting his opinion.  If you can't get your son in front of him, bring him some video.  Identifying whether it is mechanics, injury or just fatigue is a smart move regardless of summer plans.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Billy19:
Not an issue of pitching not being his thing. He's worked with private instructor for about 3 1\2 years. Not able to go to instructor once practice starts due to lack of time and needed rest from pitching games\bullpens. His command and control is a little off & think he's taking some off to compensate. I just think it would be good to get him off the mound for a while. Since he likely won't do anything but pitch after this year  the summer could be his last houg-ragh. He'd still be playing & know he won't give up his long toss. I think it would be good for him both mentally & physically. Plan would be to start back with instructor around mid July to prepare for fall season.

I think your idea may be fine but I also think you may want to separate the issues.  He enjoys being a position player, so trying to arrange summer ball so he can do more of that isn't a bad thing.  Getting him a bit of a break from pitching may not be a bad thing.  However, I would want to find out what the cause is behind the velo drop.  You have some ideas and you have an instructor that has worked with him for a long time.  I would start by getting his opinion.  If you can't get your son in front of him, bring him some video.  Identifying whether it is mechanics, injury or just fatigue is a smart move regardless of summer plans.

Thanks for the advice, good ideas. Still don't think it's lacking ability to throw harder although some mechanical breakdown may be reason for loss of control.

Originally Posted by Back foot slider:

Are you saying he is a PO now on his JV team as a Freshman?  I have always said, the best way to keep from being a PO is to hit...coaches cannot keep a good stick out of the lineup, even at the biggest of schools.  If he leads his summer team in offensive stats, I can't imagine that the level of competition of his summer team would be lower than HS, normally summer ball is much more competitive than HS.  What am I missing?

 

I am wondering why he has to choose between pitching, or playing the field, especially as a 2017.

 

Not missing anything. He's not a PO yet but only plays in field to fill a role occasionally. HC prefers PO's; 25 years plus in same place & to say he's been successful would be an understatement. School has luxury of having lots of good hitters. As for mine, he can hit. Last spring .619 BA, .700 OB, .905 SLG, .133 BB, .033 K 

Cabbagedad, could be the stride length. Hard for me to tell in a game & parents don't watch practices. I do know striding long has caused a problem for him in the past, misses high & loss of velocity. His biggest problem now is missing high & general lack of command. Instructor has shortened stride in the past to keep "his arm from dragging".

Sure, I understand that. But I just thought you might want to know that when you post numbers like that people automatically know they are wrong. There have been lots of discussions here about the poor quality of stats through the high school level. That stat line you posted is a good example, because not only are the numbers pretty outlandishly high, they also are mathematically impossible, unless his HBP rate was also around 13%.

If your son's goal is to play after HS and from my 2016s recruiting experience to date, short of some type of injury preventing so, I would never have my son give up the opportunity to pitch.  On my son's summer team they have several pitchers in the 2015/2016 classes that are committed and only one position player. 

 

This ratio is consistent with their 2014s as well  8 D1 commits.  6 pitchers and last position player didn't get an offer or commit until just the last several weeks.

 

My son is transitioning to a PO (DH for HS team when not pitching, but won't do that in summer) and really embracing it.  He pulled catcher and sometime pitcher duty for so long I think he finds it relaxing in a strange way.   I think often times parents have a bigger issue with it.  My wife is not a big fan of it.  Wants to see her boy on the field.  I love baseball and see the bigger picture in front of him, so not that hard for me to accept.

 

 

Roy, Don't think the numbers are wrong. In all fairness spring travel was limited to 2 tournament & a portion of another due to conflicts including participating in a local league, HS tryouts & a family vacation. Total PA's 30 total AB's 21. For a larger sample I found the fall stats. 57 PA 46 AB .478 BA, .561 OB, .739 SL, .070 BB, .140 K & 6  HBP. Stat keeper does not award base hits reached on error or extra base hits resulting from errors. Did not intend to get into this discussion but my point is the kid can hit.

 

 R we discussing 8th grade stats here?  Please let those pass, he's in HS now. 

if he's that good a hitter the coach will see that at practice and he will get in even as a DH.  Why didn't they just start him on Freshman team and pull him up occas to pitch on JV?

If he wants to play at next level he ll need to be seen in Summer. I would skip the Fall season. In Sept/Oct after a break from Summer ball he may want to attend a PG showcase or college camp/showcase.

 

Originally Posted by playball2011:

 

 R we discussing 8th grade stats here?  Please let those pass, he's in HS now. 

if he's that good a hitter the coach will see that at practice and he will get in even as a DH.  Why didn't they just start him on Freshman team and pull him up occas to pitch on JV?

If he wants to play at next level he ll need to be seen in Summer. I would skip the Fall season. In Sept/Oct after a break from Summer ball he may want to attend a PG showcase or college camp/showcase.

 

Never intended discussion to go in this direction. These were his travel stats from 2013 Spring & Fall. The point of the topic is considering giving him a break from pitching for the summer. I understand getting him looks, going that route after Soph. year. He passed on a stronger travel team for summer because they only need pitching. He wants to hit some this summer. He hasn't brought up not pitching this summer; it's my idea & I'll need to discuss it with him. He normally gets a break at the end of summer before fall season. Freshman worked all summer & threw a lot of bullpens. Thought it would be good to give his arm a rest & let him do other (baseball) things for the summer.   

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