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Tomorrow is a day that some of you and your sons have been waiting and preparing for. There has been many dicussions over the years about the recruitng ride and different opinions expressed. This is just one of them.

First, I did NOT like this time in my son's life. There was a lot of pressure placed on him and he is not the type who enjoys that. Yes he had many letters and calls and visits, but many of them were not from the right places as he later realized and you will find that out after the dust settles. Because he got a call from a school doesn't mean that school would be right for him. He very quickly narrowed his choices down after he did his research from the schools calling and only attended two official visits senior fall. We wanted him to understand that his decison where he attended school and played basball would most likely be one of the biggest decisions he would have to make, because we felt it affected his future as far as his goals and dreams. My sons attitude in the beginning was that he was going to go wherever he got the biggest offer but that changed after he began some serious homework.

Second, it's not about the number of letters you get or the number of calls. That really doesn't mean much, because what does mean something is the RIGHT phone call and the RIGHT offer. It is about making the right choice and everyone has different choices and reasons why they make those choices. I remember getting a pm from a parent about his son not getting too much attention. It was very distressing to hear about others getting call after call (or claiming to) here. In the end, his son was recruited and accepted to a fine school with a very good baseball program. Sometimes it takes a bit longer for others and that is ok because that is the way it is meant to be sometimes.

Third, I have seen others post it doesn't matter where you go to school as long as you get to play baseball. I don't beleive in that. The place where your son decides to go to school is very, very important. That is the place where he may met his future mate, get his degree and form relationships that will last a lifetime. Without being happy at school, it's very hard to be successful on the field. One player who transfered from a different area of the country to southern Clemson had southern culture shock, he was not happy. We all know that northern players wish to play in warmer climates, never really considering these important factors in their choices.

Fourth, do your homework dilligently. With new rules in place, your son will have difficulty in transfering. It's great to get recruited and attend one of those schools who continually get to Omaha, but from my experience that doesn't always mean you will end up there with the team, or you will be happy. Someone mentioned here that one school they looked up had 7 catchers. 7 catchers? What school needs 7 catchers? Most use only one, and another for back up. Most schools will carry 3, 4 if the are not all healthy. For position players, most often you will NOT play the position you are recruited for, things change according to the team needs. So if you are a first baseman not willing to play the outfield, know that this happens. For pitchers, watch pitching stats closely. We steered clear of programs that relied on freshman to carry the load. I don't care how good you are, 100 innings freshman year can turn to disaster later on. I have seen lots of pitchers my son pitched with have awesome freshman years as the ace, by junior year they were struggling. Ask the coaches about their philosophies. The good programs will seldom overuse a freshman, because this is their future. Many programs bring in JUCO pitchers. If they do this because they lose so many in the draft and have to replace with experience, that is ok, but some just bring them in because they don't have the time or the effort to develop their staff. I don't care what some say, these days most college pitching coaches take pride in developing their pitching staff, for their future and the programs success.

Fifth, it's your son's choice in the end, but you do have a right to ask questions, especially since you will be the one writing the checks. Big Grin And understand that no matter how good you think your son is compared to someone who might get more $$, everything is relevant to the situation. Coaches recruit on needs and budgets. He doesn't need two top shortstops in the nation on his team. And NEVER, NEVER (if you bump into a coach) drill him on why he didn't recruit your son. Coaches will call and tell your son he is interested in recruiting him, but that does not mean that he will offer. That doesn't make him a liar. He's just doing his job, trying to form relationship and opinions about your player. Sometimes his decision is not just based on your sons talent, but if he feels a player will gel into the chemistry of the team. You'd be surprised how many players DO NOT fit in.

Sixth, best of luck, try to enjoy and come back if you have questions, we are always willing oto help. Smile
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Good post TPM (IMHO).

Great job of summarizing many of the key things that I have learned here on the HSBBW. I am sure there will be a few ups and downs along the way however I will be sure to keep your post handy. It might come in handy when it comes time to make a decision.

Good luck to all our 08's as they "officially" join the recruiting frenzy
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Thanks so much for the post and well wishes. As the mom of an '08, it is hard to keep from hoping that my son will get at least one call tomorrow. My husband says to have zero expectations so we won't be disappointed, which is probably a good tactic, but I would be dishonest if I said it's not in the back of my mind. We'll see what happens...
TPM's post is just loaded with wisdom!!! That one is a keeper.
But Infield08, for me, is equally provocative. The comments, hopes, and expectations are just like I felt in 1999, when our phone was silent.
IMO, if you have a son with the talent of David Kopp, the calls on July 1 are quite important. When you have those types of skills and exposure, it is very important to be able to start sorting interest from colleges compared with the interest and expectations of the family.
For most everyone else, July 1 isn't important, at all, and it is a mistake to think it is. That is especially true with the new rules penalizing transfers. What I think is/should be important for 90% of the players who do not have the skills/national recognition of someone like DK is the programs calling in October and who have a very legitimate interest in having your son as part of their program. What is important is the program that calls weekly or close to that. What is important is the quality of education that baseball program might facilitate combined with coaches who really value your son, and not just because he plays baseball.
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Originally posted by infielddad:
What I think is/should be important for 90% of the players ... is the programs calling in October and who have a very legitimate interest in having your son as part of their program. What is important is the program that calls weekly or close to that. What is important is the quality of education that baseball program might facilitate combined with coaches who really value your son, and not just because he plays baseball.


Seldom have truer words been spoken on this website. Baseball 'delivers' something different for each young player. For some, baseball is the motivator that pushes an average student into JUCO so he can play baseball, then blossoms into an opportunity (academically & athletically) at a 4 yr school. For others, baseball is the unique distinctive that separates an applicant to an elite college from other well qualified applicants. For an elite player baseball might offer an opportunity for a career in the game.

Be open to the opportunities baseball might offer your son.
It would have been nice to get a call on July 1st but that did not happen. Since we (my son and I) were unaware that July 1st was supposed to mean anything, we were both just as happy as we were on June 30th Smile

During the summer of my son's junior year he was recruited by D3 coaches here in Ohio which we were both extremely thankful for. There was also some mild D1 and D2 interest expressed to his coaches during his high school playoff games that spring.

Later that summer during the CABA World Series here in NE Ohio, my son was noticed by his current school. From that initial interest, I started sending him to their summer camps. His initial trip he found some things he needed to improve upon. The next time down in October he was in the zone. About a week later he received a modest scholarship offer which we accepted and have never looked back. His high school coach was not that happy as there was another school who he felt would have offered more money. To us, it was not about the money but the opportunity. When he was recruited to play Div 1, he was 5-9 and weighed 147 lbs.

My son was not a stud player but a very good one who had room to grow. I say to those whose phones may ring that is a good thing. To those whose don't, it certainly is not a bad thing. It is just a sound (of silence) that tells you that you just need to keep on workin until the phone does eventually ring Smile

In my humble opinion, you don't need overwhelming talent to play at the collegiate level but you need to be a decent ball player with some serious desire. Sitting around waiting for the phone to ring is not the way to express that desire. Get out there in front of those coaches, let your heart show when you play, and there will be coaches out there that will want you to play in their program.
The other side of the coin---my son, in NY, got the call on July 1 from a D-I school in Texas---they brought him down for a official visit and then offered him a scholarship of $1500. You go figure I still can't

But the calls kept coming and he did end up playing major D-I ball anyway

Sometimes the July 1 call is not the one that counts
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Sometimes the July 1 call is not the one that counts

I think oftentimes the calls that come July 1 aren't the ones that matter. I think if a family of an '08 hasn't discussed what's important to them in a fit, now's the time to do it. Review with your son his phone manners and how to talk to a coach in a professional manner. Remind him that the journey of recruiting is long and that he doesn't have to jump for the first offer that comes along. Remind him that if offers aren't thrown at him from all directions, that is normal and not be worried about.

Most of all, remind yourself and your son to sit back and try to enjoy this part of his journey as well as his entire senior year. If I was asked what I liked about recruiting, I would probably have to say nothing.... except for the fact, it put my son and I together traveling to visit some schools which allowed me the most alone time with him I'd have in quite some time... that is priceless regardless of the school he chooses.

Best of luck to all the '08 boys on this trip! Smile
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Would echo....To make two long stories short...

We had two July 1's (2005, 2006) despite lots of nice letters and email communication...No July 1 calls to offer...In fact, no July calls at all...What no calls?...No problem...get back to work!...what a great life lesson...Enjoy the ride, only happens once...it only takes one...stay upbeat...don't play the victim...don't compare yourself to the others you might feel you are more talented than who are getting offer(s)...you need to find the right fit for you and that may take time...understood that getting the wrong offer on July 1 could be the worst scenerio...

Our 2005...continued to work hard...kept communicating...stayed patient...kept visible...kept working skills...a DII showed up serously about Sepetember...DII recruting trip... offer made and accepted in early October with the offered understanding that it cold be trumped by a DI....Two DI's recruiting trips taken, no offers...Completely unexpected top 50 DI with fair $ offered late October, after great showing at Senior Woodbat in Peoria...not a top choice unknown but had just enough time to heavily research...early November a couple very desireable Recruited walk on's...two more VERY late higher DI's with small leftover $....

Our 2006...continued to work hard...lots of communication, contact....September? nothing...October? nothing...November? nothing...Spring? nothing...after a couple years of work we had tons of letters, some great realsionships, piles of letters and...nothing. Continued to work...found a perfect fit at JC...best move ever...thank God we DIDN"T get a call and end up in the wrong situation just because we DID get a call...

Have patience, have faith in the process and faith in your skills and your ability to play all three games...baseball, recuiting and life...

Cool 44
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For any ones information, we received two calls July 1, both schools had been in contact with him before July 1 by email or them asking him to call. The school that he ended up going to had been in contact with him for almost a year. The calls actually came in for his dad and I, as we had never spoken or met anyone. One school had even given an offer at one point before that, but he wasn't going to commit to anyone until he visited the school. We were asked to make unofficial visits during the summer period but since he was traveling, it was not possible. Many players nowadays take unofficial visits with their parents and have either met or spoken to coaches, we never did that. We didn't really know much about the whole thing either at that time.
The ONE call he had been waiting for didn't come until 3 weeks after recruiting period began. That was his dream school and where he wanted to go since he was a little guy. That bothered him.

For a ranked player in HS, he didn't get as many phone calls as one might imagine that first week. As the summer went on, more and more calls came in. Many were from SEC schools and IMO, while they have great programs, the entire school experiernce has to be considered. These schools are often in many players dreams and plans, but in reality, may not be the right choice for everyone.

July 1 is only the beginning, not the end. This recruiting period ends the day before officiial signing in November, that's 4+ months from now

The one thing that he didn't like, many schools asked who was calling him and many gave reasons WHY he should not consider those programs. I didn't like that and he didn't either. You can't sell your program by being negative about other programs. Ironic thing is, many of those coaches are NOT at those programs today.

BTW, the first call that day was Clemson. As I look back, all signs pointed to that is where he would end up, we just didn't realize it at the time. Wink
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This is a GREAT thread! Just some general thoughts:
-TPM, I am having a REALLY hard time getting used to your new avatar (Cardinals). I was so used to the Tiger Paw. AND on top of that, I am a CUBS fan!!!! Nevertheless, I am still a big David Kopp fan....so I guess I will have to root for the Cards...at least a bit!

-While we were expecting no calls today, my 08 received 2 calls. Both from DI's (one a top 20 school)! That school has been in regular contact with him. We'll see where it all leads.

-Someone mentioned brushing up on phone skills. Great comment. I was shocked today to find that my guy (on his own) took the time to update his cell phone greeting. His old message sounded like a guy with marbles in his mouth, with no energy. His new one was articulate and even shocked me!!! My, my how they can surprise you..............
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Many were from SEC schools and IMO, while they have great programs, the entire school experiernce has to be considered


Are you saying SEC schools don't offer a "complete" college experience or is this just a dig at the SEC from an ACC parent? Big Grin I thought my son got a complete college experience at an SEC school.

While we're speaking on official recruiting, I just read that another 8th grade basketball player was offered a scholarship to USC ---- Makes one think --- what does "official" really mean these days and when does it REALLY start?
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Originally posted by lafmom:
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Sometimes the July 1 call is not the one that counts

Review with your son his phone manners and how to talk to a coach in a professional manner.


My son's first call came at 8:30 AM. Typical ballplayer with a late afternoon game, he was still asleep. Mom didn't want our son to seem like a slacker so she woke him up and handed him the phone from a dead sleep. I'm not sure how the call went because I don't think he can remember much of the conversation. I'm sure he made a great impression on that coach, not that they mattered are anything... (team just happened to play in the CWS this year)! Big Grin

I think maybe it's time for us to review our phone call strategy.

He obviously wasn't too worried about it because after the call he rolled over and went back to sleep. Boy do I wish I was 17 again!
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Originally posted by Fungo:
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Many were from SEC schools and IMO, while they have great programs, the entire school experiernce has to be considered


Are you saying SEC schools don't offer a "complete" college experience or is this just a dig at the SEC from an ACC parent? Big Grin I thought my son got a complete college experience at an SEC school


Fungo,
The top conference on son's list was the sec.
Auburn and UF were two school in the running. Big Grin We just felt that schools from some other locations were NOT where he would be happy. LSU, MSU (remember that truck), Ole Miss. Nothing against the SEC but location. Location and geography should be a consideration, IMO. Notre Dame high on his list, but I didn't think a warm weather, never seen snow boy would be happy there in mid winter. Smile

I received an email yesterday from a parent who posts here. She wanted to thank us all for all the help we give. She told me that yesterday her son received a call from a school that has never even sent a letter or any information (guess where). So as you all can see, it's a strange ride. Eek

JD,
Yup, sometimes they seem to be less interested in the whole thing than us parents!
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I appreciate so much the posts here, as there is something here for everyone--the ones who are getting calls early, and the ones who aren't.

Son too didn't get calls on July 1 although he did start getting them in the first week of July, but not from the schools in which he was most interested. He always seemed to have faith that things would work out; that is just the way he approaches life; and he always has a Plan B and probably even a Plan C and Plan D. That continues to this day, despite all the success he has had in college both academically and on the baseball field. That approach is so helpful as it also helps you to realize that there are lots of options, despite the fact that you as a player or parent don't have control over this process. At the end of the day, which was in April of his senior year, son had 4 really wonderful choices: recruited walkon at the D1 of his dreams, a small baseball scholarship at a small D1 with a wonderful coach, and two top academic D3s with a spot for him on the baseball team. To this day, I think that all of these options might have worked out for him, although he is awfully happy with the one he chose.

For my part, during this summer, I did LOTS of reading and researching, scouring out programs that might be a good match for him. This included posting and reading here, and researching through college websites and college books. I also spent time just doing organizational stuff to keep myself busy: making sure we had copies of his transcript, making file folders for schools that seemed like a good match--whether or not he was being recruited by them, etc.

It is a process with ups and downs, hopeful moments and moments when you have to adjust your thinking and your expectations. Best wishes to all--we are lucky to have boys who have found such a passion already in life.
If there's no 'dream' school, and all interested schools are of interest in return (pending major research, visit, etc).....would you all suggest waiting to make a decision until mid-October or so? Is that 'fair' in terms of what to tell coaches who are waiting for an answer? Don't want to pull the trigger to early, but don't want to lose out, either....
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by krak: If there's no 'dream' school ... would you all suggest waiting to make a decision until mid-October or so? Is that 'fair' in terms of what to tell coaches who are waiting for an answer? Don't want to pull the trigger to early, but don't want to lose out, either....
it's interesting the way you asked that ..
sometimes the real recruiting process gets lost in the situation of things falling together quickly for a few guys. it's really a rarity.


back to the NORMAL process -

phone calls thru summer months, sometimes talk of an offer, sometimes continued interest.

interest hopefuly turns into an invite for the official visit AFTER college classes begin -
heck, some schools here don't start til late Sept.
a firm offer is usually made on the campus visit

it's not unusual, for new schools to enter the mix in late August.

it's not unusual for the Sept list to be totaly different from the July list.

it's not unusual to get late interest from a school with no time to schedule an offical visit

early signing

then it starts over again in the late signing period


btw, the over-used term "dream school" may not even exist for all players

btw II, I'd guess globe-trotting would change the fall official visit stuff, it wouldn't necessarily change new fall interest/opportunities

hope that helps
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Krak

Despite what a coach wants you to do the decision has to be right for the player---not all kids are ready to decide this early

I tell my kids don't jump at the first offer---if they truly want you they will want you to see other programs and schools--they don't players who are unhappy or unsure as to why they are there
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by krak: have to work up several campus visits in the next few weeks before heading back to Korea
make sure ya save some time in fall for son to travel on their dime?
that should be a pretty good gage of their interest Wink


(NCAA) Official visits (limit 5) -

Any visit to a college campus by you and your parents paid for by the college.
The college may pay the following expenses: Your transportation to and from the college;
Room and meals, etc

hmmm, wonder what the record for the longest travel for official visit?? Big Grin

btw,
is it currently the "day after yesterday" or the "day before tomorrow" in Korea local time??
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Originally posted by TRhit:
You only pull the trigger when you know it is the right situation and you wont be looking back




My son didn't commit until end of september, after his official visits to two schools. If that is how your son feels, tell them so. Don't make a decison on the premise he will lose out. A hurried decision is often not the right one.
To maximize opportunities group the visits as close and early as possible. Don't expect to get 5 visits in. I don't know anyone who did. If the visits are finished in September, you should be fine. If you have multiple schools wanting commitments, fancy footwork is required to keep all the balls in the air. Coaches don't wait forever.
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I love the discussions here....thought I'd throw in a different twist here.....the discussions, text messages and phone conversations were fast and furious, early for our player. I wanted to make sure that we were not rushing this process but also thought it was extremely important to make our decision based on having met the coaching staff in person and having visited the schools in person. As a family, it was decided that we would take some unofficial visits to jump start the process and get a feeling of what the programs and schools were all about. The only problem is that this kept throwing fuel in to the fire and then everyone wanted us to visit! Of course!.....it was on our dime not theirs!.....but in the end through this process we visited 11 schools (unofficially) before finally making an early verbal committment to one of them after the 2nd visit to the school. The decision was a no brainer, especially having been able to compare the other 10 schools and coaching staffs and we could not be more pleased and happy with the decision that was made. Obviously we'll miss all of the official visits but one that our boy will take to the school he committed to but in the end it was his decision and all of us could not be happier. Best of luck to everyone going through this process and as you can tell there is no one way to get through this process. It's finding what works best for the player and family.
j2h6,
Good post. 4,5,6 years ago the recruiting process was not so frenzied so we didn't do unofficial visits. Yes, they are usually on your own dime, but well worth the expense in the decision. These days you almost have to take those unofficial visits.
My son had previously met both coaching staffs before his visits, but had not seen one campus and wanted to wait until the fall. He figured if they really wanted him (which they did) they would wait. Even after the visit, he waited for a few weeks to weigh all of the pros and cons. Most players and their parents prepare well in advance these days.

Dad04 brings up a good point, most coaches do not want to wait forever, because they have players in mind if your son says no. But I have seen too many make a decision under pressure and things didn't work out.

Everyone's experience is different, but everyone has the same goal. Find the place where you will enjoy playing and attending school. If that takes longer for some than others, that's ok.

Best of luck.
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TPM posted: Dad04 brings up a good point, most coaches do not want to wait forever, because they have players in mind if your son says no. But I have seen too many make a decision under pressure and things didn't work out.


One thing I know we agree on. The harder you throw, the longer they wait. Smile
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As a family, it was decided that we would take some unofficial visits to jump start the process and get a feeling of what the programs and schools were all about.


That is much the same way we did it. ALL our visits were unofficial with the exception of one. It was our personal choice to decline official visits. He did however accept an official visit at the college he had already committed to. If you consider July 1 hectic, just wait until the spring of his senior season. ---here come da scouts
Thanks for all the great info. Yes, our situation is just as bizarre as ever. We head back to Korea on August 7th and simply can't afford to send him back....and have no idea if a school would pay for a trans-pacific ticket. So, we have scheduled two visits with coaches who will be on campus in mid-late July and want to show him around. Another is in an area where my wife and I lived for about ten years (and where son was born), so we feel pretty good about that one.....and will have to rely on phone contact with the coach. He was supoosed to be at HeadFirst but at the last minute had to cancel his participation.....so despite the fact that they were the first to express that they'd like him to come and play, it would be somewhat weird to think of son going to play where the coach had only seen video. But I guess site-unseens do happen sometimes, and it's a very good-fit school for Krak Jr. So, still in the running.
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Doing unofficial visits prior to July 1 was the best thing we did. Not only did it help my son have a better understanding of where he might want to go to school, just as importantly it helped him eliminate schools that didn't feel right. Some of the schools he eliminated by doing unofficial visits had started at the top of his list.

While it did cost us a few bucks, it might have saved him from making a rushed decision if he had waited for the official visits to come around.

Here’s a thought, with recruiting happening so much sooner these days wouldn't it make since to allow players to do an official visit earlier than September?
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by D04: if visiting sooner benefits the schools they might try it.
it WOULD tend to benefit the coaches/school, and if trends continue earlier the ncaa will likely push back imposing more limits ...

the intent of all the ncaa recruiting guidlines is to limit the recruiting process so that coaches are recruiting guys who will arrive on campus the following yr.

those rules came about to protect the players & prevent abuses of coaches hounding 8th/9th graders 24-7 for commitments like they did years ago (football & basketball mostly)
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My hats off to all of you on your wonderful comments. I have read this website over the past year and never posted anything. However, I need some help. My son is a 2008 graduate. He is a CF with sub 6.5 speed. He is 6-1 170lbs. He is an excellent defensive CF because of his speed. He has an average bat (350)and an average arm. He was offered early (April)by a top D1 SEC School. My son is also a dual sport guy. He is a Wide Receiver on the football team. He received 1st team all-district and all-metro recognition. At the time he was offered in April, he had no football offers on the table. Within one month of him verbally committing to play baseball, he received four offers to play football. This brings me to my question(s). He did receive a phone call on 7/1 from the head coach who he verbally committed to. The coach also asked for him to come by and speak with him (School is local). My son tells me that the coach told him that there may be a new rule that comes into effect on August 9th. Something to do with 35 player limit. My son's offer is $1000 plus books and says that if the rule comes into play, they would have to back off the offer, but would still like him to be part of the 35 players. He also said that more funds could be put towards other positions that are more importand than Centerfielders. Can someone explain or tell me where to find anything written on this rule? I hope that this post comes off as being bragadocius. That is certainly not my intention. I simply wanted to give you an idea of what type of athlete this kid is. Thanks
From what I know, there is a new NCAA ruling affecting all players graduating 2008 or later that allows each D1 team to have a maximum of 27 scholarship athletes (each receiving at least a 33% scholarship) plus additional walk-ons (receiving no athletic scholarship at all) who can bring the roster size up to 35. In other words, players who in the past were offered books-only or minimal scholarships (10 or 20%) will now be offered at least 33% OR they will be asked to walk on and play for "free." (Of course, these players can receive all the academic scholarships they qualify for.) TRhit has mentioned on this site that the new ruling will be subject to review at an August meeting.

I have heard of one other school backing out of its original scholarship offer to a 2008 recruit because of this ruling.

To learn more on this site, you might want to do a search for "NCAA 27 players." Type this information after you click on the green "Find" button at the top of this page.
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Spyda,
That's right, players will get either 33% or nothing.
If the coach really likes him he could have the football coach give him a full scholarship and he can play both!
It's something that your son has to decide he really wants, go to school on a full football scholarhsip or essentially go play baseball for nothing.
Good luck.

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