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I am proud to have recently participated in an interview for a local monthly publication called Living In Colts Neck. During the interview I was asked for my opinion of professional athletes as role models. I have a 23 year old daughter, a 21 year old son who is a minor leaguer and a 16 year old son in a Christian High School. My response was that I strive to be my childrens role model and I do not see professional athletes as taking that place.

My youngest and I read a thread here this morning and he asked a few questions:

1. Why would a grown man attemp to use the "F" word when answering something on this website?

2. Why would he curse at a women?

3. Aren't there rules against this?

Tonight I will attempt to explain:

A. Immaturity: part of the reason for such actions.

B. The First Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution: that protects free speech and the responsibilty that comes with being "free to say what you want".

C. I will try to explain PARTISANSHIP. Yes there are rules but some moderators (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) choose to ingnore them when the violation involves a friend.

D. Peer Pressure: obviously something not only felt by youngsters. Among adults it leads to partisanship.

E. Cowardness: the fear of doing what is right when necessary because you may no longer "belong to the group". This is part of peer pressure and perhaps why the rest of the enforcement group overlooked the broken rule.

F. (And Finally) Conviction: Having the gutts to stand up for what you believe and doing something about it. Hopefully what I am doing right now.

Perhaps this will lend itself to the original poster stepping up to the plate and editing his comment/opinion by removing the attempted profanity, afterall there are youngsters who visit here.

If not then perhaps a moderator will finally step in (it has been since yesterday) and delete the attempted profanity.

Sincerely,

Lou Santangelo
Colts Neck New Jersey
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It goes without saying that your post is directed straight at me.

And - after giving it some thought. I agree with you.

First - I will apologize to LiMom.

LiMom - I formally apologize for the rudeness and implied profanity. It was untoward and unkind. Hopefully - one of the moderators will remove it. It has no place on this site.

Secondly - I will leave this site. I think my time has come and gone.

I wish you and your families all the very best and may God bless you.

And Bob - I want to thank you for all you have done. You are a tremendous asset to the baseball community. You are a special man IMO.

You all take care.
Can we please stick to some semblance of the purpose of the site? Lou or Sportsboss, I don't think we need a self-appointed preacher. You are up on the pulpit and no one asked you. Itsinthegame, the post was an error in judgement, no more. You apologized. There is no need to bite down on a capsule. I'm sure if ol Lou is honest with himself, he'd admit, he's done something in his life he isn't proud of. We all have.

Friends, I am asking that we all check our egos at the keyboard, treat posters as you'd want to be treated and give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve it. Now there I go...right to the pulpit. Sorry. Smile
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Secondly - I will leave this site. I think my time has come and gone.

I wish you and your families all the very best and may God bless you.

And Bob - I want to thank you for all you have done. You are a tremendous asset to the baseball community. You are a special man IMO.

You all take care.


Oh...........the martyr move!! My wife plays this game all the time.
Halfmoon,
In case you have not realized it lately there is no more "semblance of the purpose of the site". Too many things have just gotten way out of control, you may not have been around when there was some "semblance".

Although I don't always agree with itsinthegame's posts, he is honest in not hiding who he is, not like posters like limom (I have said it before, this is no baseball mom), bluedog, teacherman and the famous lower case "i" poster, and many more.
Lou,
Hope all is well with you. Dave is doing well, loves CU. Heard Lou Jr. was hanging around up there! Don't be to hard on itsinthegame, he needs to realize these posters are pushing everyone's buttons (see teacherman's post above). I am in agreement with you, I didn't see the post, there is no one monitoring this site on a regular basis,post should have been ended before it got to that point. There are many wise posters (who I learned much from) who will not even post here anymore, or do very seldom, because of lack of "semblence".
This is all JMO of course.
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Halfmoon,
In case you have not realized it lately there is no more "semblance of the purpose of the site". Too many things have just gotten way out of control, you may not have been around when there was some "semblance".

Although I don't always agree with itsinthegame's posts, he is honest in not hiding who he is, not like posters like limom (I have said it before, this is no baseball mom), bluedog, teacherman and the famous lower case "i" poster, and many more.
Lou,
Hope all is well with you. Dave is doing well, loves CU. Heard Lou Jr. was hanging around up there! Don't be to hard on itsinthegame, he needs to realize these posters are pushing everyone's buttons (see teacherman's post above). I am in agreement with you, I didn't see the post, there is no one monitoring this site on a regular basis,post should have been ended before it got to that point. I see we finally have what is called "report this post", maybe that will help. There are many wise posters (who I learned much from) who will not even post here anymore, or do very seldom, because of lack of "semblence".
This is all JMO of course.
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Lou,
Life is a challenge! I think we have all had to set down and explain to our children why different people use language or express emotions differently. It’s called parenting. With television, movies, and music containing explicit language permeating most everywhere we go, I’m not surprised that parents feel as if they are fighting a losing battle. I called my cable provider many years ago and repeated a few choice words I (and my children) had just heard as dialogue on a program. The employee of the cable company became offended. She explained she did not have to listen to my offensive language. I agreed...but in turn I explained I did not have to listen to the offensive language SHE was selling....so...”Please remove my HBO subscription!”
Society has drawn a line in regards to language and actions and that line is forever changing. Maybe the line is not changing in your eyes or my eyes but in the eyes of society (whomever they are) things are changing. I personally don’t like it, but I learn to live with it.. What’s the saying?...”Today’s morality is yesterday’s immorality”. We all have different standards but no matter where we as individuals draw our line, we are ALL guilty of crossing our own lines at times. If not with words, then with actions.
Take baseball, you and I have seen games where perfectly adjusted parents, players, coaches, and even umpires have acted in a manner that was quite offensive. Someone or something pushed the wrong button. Human nature. Thank goodness we have devised a method for making amends for our actions and words...it’s call an apology.
As a moderator I do make some adjustments to posts but I also normally avoid reading certain posters. I never read the thread about offensive parents because I have come to understand the camouflaged motives of the originator.
Itsinthegame has made and apology, the posts has been corrected and I hope your dinner went well. Everyone makes mistakes but hopefully we can all learn from them.
Fungo
TigerPawMom, unfortunately there is no way to completely have what you as a veteran contributor or I as a relative rookie really want from the site. I for one walk the fence on some of the nonsense here because some of it is down right entertaining. Some of it is also destructive and even all the "good guys" who contribute differ on what is entertaining and what is really destructive. All I wish is for people to respect one another. When someone is disrespectful outwordly or in their tone, I become frustrated. Experts who are really experts as evidence of their body of work never get on a soapbox with a bullhorn. They are balanced professionals who say..."here is what I believe...take it or leave it". Others who profess to be professionals scream in your ear. I judge each post by the delivery of the poster. However great Itsinthegames indescretion was, IMO Lou put himself in a holier than thou position by pontificating rather than sending It's a PM or just simply stating, "hey bud, I personally didn't think your use of the English language was appropriate as I have young ones who read the site with me". That's a reminder,Ballballmom. What we got was a Falwell-like sermon.
Halfmoonslider,
My opinion: Lou's opinion is a reminder & I thank him for it! I appreciate the input from fungo & TPM, too. Hope itsinthegame will be posting again in short order, too...
My opinion....we are all giving opinions.

If you want a sermon, go to the archives & look up linear vs. rotational! Now there were several pages to that sermon!! Eek pull_hair Confused biglaugh

baseballmom
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...the only run who could eeeverr teach me,,,was the son of a preacher man......the only one who could ever.....

Quit my HBO subscription about the same time you did, fungo............

And I can do without Falwell, too......

But, I do know all the words and can use them with the best of them................

Go read about Zach Duke and baseballmom244 (I think) and you can regain some semblance..........

...and limon84 is a mom and she needs some patience and help....
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One thing is for sure, you don't need a calendar when visiting the HSWEB to know that it's mid January. I think that all of us "baseball people" feel the effects of cabin fever during this time of year. I know that I do. I also know that if unchecked, I tend to be less tolerant then I might be during "our" time.

I have had the good fortune to meet a few of the members of this forum in person and what an extraordinary and enriching experience it has been for me and my sons. What I discovered is that people are not necessarily the same in person as they sometimes come across in this medium. I would venture to say that the vast majority of posters are truly good people and that our perceptions of them would be completely different meeting them outside of this environment.

What was interesting and enlightening for me was that their perception of me was quite different than what I expected. It caused me to go back and read some of my old posts. I realized that I "sounded" quite different than I really am.

My solution has been to avoid confrontation and baiting and to simply not go negative. Period. If someone doesn't agree with me, it's ok. The free exchange of ideas is a wonderful benefit that we all enjoy and much can be learned. There is a great deal of knowledge here and as I discovered, there are some wonderful and remarkable people.

R.
I'm a poster who is going to tell you all that this site is important to a lot of people. It has helped us considerably, and I know there are many more families like us who follow it, and put into practice what we have learned from you all. Without a doubt... my '05 would not have half the options he has right now if it were not for the advise given and followed here... I also know that we are all (in varying degrees!), capable of editing, refuting, and just ignoring what we may find not to our liking. I come to this site to learn and in turn help my son. I can sift through the not so helpful stuff on my own...so can my son.

Sometimes it seems that we get too involved in personalities, egos, one-up-manship.... but that's always going to happen. Think it's called life....just please keep the information coming....and no more quitting! It's getting old...

There are tons of '06 and '07's waiting their turn. Thank you...all
With nothing to do, I slid into the chat room the other night, to see if anything might be happ'n.

And there was limom84. Just her. And me. And, I thought...aw, s**t, this is gonna be good......

So, I eased into a conversation, and guess what?

The tone is different..............

And I realized that what gets into her posts is not exactly what is on her mind.

And, I recalled my initial difficulty of getting what was on my mind into my posts.

I wasn't exactly anxious to confess this newly found "relationship", but then I was reading the next few posts to this thread and saw this from halfmoonslider.
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PIC is way better than I am with proper English.

And you know what. Pic ain't. Maybe the construction is good. Maybe the words provoke our thinking and a trip to the dictionary.

But, he ain't better because the end result is he frustration and anger that the readers spout back.

Then calloway posts these thoughts.
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What I discovered is that people are not necessarily the same in person as they sometimes come across in this medium. I would venture to say that the vast majority of posters are truly good people and that our perceptions of them would be completely different meeting them outside of this environment.

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What was interesting and enlightening for me was that their perception of me was quite different than what I expected. It caused me to go back and read some of my old posts. I realized that I "sounded" quite different than I really am.


Much better than I could ever have composed.

So, limom84 is a newbie, with a young 16 year old late blooming ball player with potential, but no demonstrated hs success, yet.

New to this site, seeing the potential of her son, and wondering how to work through it all.

Mine bloomed early and so did most of yours.

So, leftydad, I know that she really didn't mean the posts about the different styles of parents to be confrontational.

It was really a satirical attempt at humor in a David Letterman top ten format. It just didn't come through that way.

Given those parenting styles that we all know and having a late bloomer, wouldn't those parenting styles would affect you in a different way?

Maybe as we demonstrate more patience (I don't know how much) and learn more about posters unique circumstances, the semblance can return.
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Former Observer-

I think you got this thing figured out for me. I did get to the game late…and I never really thought of it like that, but I guess that coupled with my sense of humor and experiences, makes my posts come out the way they do.

Just remember, what happens in the chat room stays in the chat room! Just like in Vegas…

Thanks for shedding some light for me and on me.

And a special shoutout to Lou from Colts Neck, NJ. You’re a standup guy.

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