Transfer Question

What you appear to be describing is what the NCAA calls a "4-2-4" transfer.

I don't know the particulars, but if you go to the NCAA website and find the transfer guide (available online for free), you should be able to have your question answered 100%.......good luck!

Wouldn't a RS sophomore already have nearly 3 academic years under their belt, meaning 4 semesters? Isn't JUCO the first 2 years of academic progress?

Isn't a RS sophomore an academic Junior?

That aside:

14.5.6 4-2-4 College Transfers. A student who transfers from a four-year college to a two-year college and
then to the certifying institution shall complete one academic year of residence at the certifying institution prior
to engaging in intercollegiate competition, unless the student has: (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Completed an average of at least 12-semester or -quarter hours of transferable degree credit, with a cumulative
minimum grade-point average of 2.000, acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying
institution for each term of full-time attendance at the two-year college following transfer from the four-year
college most recently attended; (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(b) One calendar year has elapsed since the student’s departure from the previous four-year college (one year since
the date that the student-athlete takes formal action with the appropriate institutional authorities required for
all students to indicate that the student-athlete is leaving the previous four-year institution and no longer will
be attending classes); and (Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(c) The student has graduated from the two-year college (see Bylaws 14.5.4.5.1 and 14.5.4.5.3.2). (Revised:
1/10/90, 2/16/00, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
14.5.6.1 Exceptions. A “4-2-4” transfer student who does not meet the requirements of Bylaw 14.5.6 is not
subject to the residence requirement for intercollegiate competition if any of the following conditions are met:
(a) The student returns to the four-year college from which he or she transferred to the two-year college,
provided the student did not have an unfulfilled residence requirement at the time of the transfer from
the four-year college. The amount of time originally spent in residence at the first four-year college may
be used by the student in completing the unfulfilled residence requirement at that institution

The player is not eligible to particpate at the second D1 school for one year from the time he leaves the first school, meaning he would not be able to participate in fall ball...kind of an important time to establish himself at the new school.

I have also heard that if you go back to the same school you don't have to sit out.....but you should check with the school's compliance officer, each situation is different and you never know what will trip you up.

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Wouldn't a RS sophomore already have nearly 3 academic years under their belt, meaning 4 semesters? Isn't JUCO the first 2 years of academic progress?

Isn't a RS sophomore an academic Junior?

The term redshirt freshman indicates an academic sophomore (second-year student) who is in the first season of athletic eligibility. A redshirt freshman is distinguished from a true freshman (first-year student) as one who has practiced with the team for the prior season. The term redshirt sophomore is also commonly used to indicate an academic junior (third-year student) who is in the second season of athletic eligibility. After the sophomore year the term redshirt is rarely used, instead the terms fourth year junior and fifth year senior are more common.

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Originally posted by wayback:
The player is not eligible to particpate at the second D1 school for one year from the time he leaves the first school, meaning he would not be able to participate in fall ball...kind of an important time to establish himself at the new school.

A transfer player to a D1 school who has adequate academic progress is eligible to participate. In many instances, he isn't eligible to engage in intercollegiate competition until he has completed a year of residence. So a transfer player isn't shut out of fall practices, or even being on the 35 man roster, and practicing in the spring.

As to the original question, OS8 quoted the relevant rule, which shows that a player who transfers back to his original 4 year school from a JC, and had attended at least one academic year in his first stint at the 4 year school is eligible for competition immediately. This assumes that he was a qualifier out of HS, and the 4 year school was his first school. He does not need to have grasuated from the JC, in contrast to any other JC transfer.

In order to be eligible at the JC, a student can have competed in only one season at the 4 year (or any other) college.
JC Eligibility Pamphlet Rule 7.A

The most obvious way to do this would be to attend and play freshman year at 4 year school, JC for some portion of his sophomore year (playing baseball), and then transfer back for 2 more season at the 4 year school. I don't think that being a redshirt affects the player's eligibility, if he is able to meet the academic progress requirements.

Nice post. I brought up the definitions of RS because one who thinks may be a RS Junior, "by age", might not be by semester hours earned.

A true academic RS Junior has completed 4 semesters and is a Junior by hours earned. JUCO is not for those who completed their first 2 years of college, so it appears JUCO is not a viable venue.

I have been wrong many times.

I meant to say a red shirt freshman.

Thanks for the help!!

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