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Situation - runner on first and an 0 - 0 count on the batter. First pitch is a foul ball. Second pitch is a failed hit / run but runner steals second. So now we have an 0 - 2 count. Attempted pick off at 2nd and ball goes into CF so runner takes third. Next two pitches are balls to bring the count to 2 - 2. The very next pitch is a strike down the middle. Should be a strike out.

Ump now signals it at 2 - 2. We start telling him he had the count wrong and the guy was out. He tells us he has 2 - 2 but he asks his partner out in the field. He says it was strike three and the guy was out. So batter heads to dugout.

Offense coach comes out saying the plate ump had it right because that's what his book says. The defensive book has it as a strike out on three strikes. Plate ump comes over to check defense (home team) scorebook. Then he gets both books together and the home book has a strike out but visitor book has 2 - 2 count. The two umps and the scorekeepers (both high school kids) talk for a minute or two with the offensive coach up there.

Outcome of the discussion........ 2 - 2 count and batter gets to come back up to the plate. Now our head coach comes out to find out why they went against our book since it's at our field and why the field ump was being overruled. We never got a real reason why the change or missed pitch.

Thankfully we struck him out on the next pitch.

Another kinda funny part is we made a pitching change in the middle of an inning. Called time - met on the mound - brought a kid off the bench to play first while our starter first went to pitch and the starting pitcher came out to high fives from the dugout - head coach walks to the plate ump tells him the change. The other coach brought out the scorebook later after our new first baseman reached on a single saying he was an illegal sub because he wasn't reported to them.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Assuming the sub was an eligible sub then at the worse all he is is an unreported sub.


There was absolutely nothing wrong with the sub. Kid was on the lineup card with the correct jersey number (which if I'm thinking correctly isn't that important - as long as the name is correct that's all that matters) and an inning or two was played before the new guy got an at bat.

I don't know if the other coach forgot about our pitching change or what but he came out complaining.
Not to hijack the thread, but, Why is this an issue? Unlisted subs has not been a problem in the past (at least not for me).

There are other things NFHS should be concerned with.
I work at a couple of fields that have open dugouts. I think FED should require fencing in front of dugouts. This is amateur sports and the NFHS is all about player safety, right?
Last edited by mrumpiresir
Remember, all the voting members of the rules committee are current or former coaches and AD's.

This is where the "problem" lies; coaches and AD's who bend the rules to suit their needs or dislike for certain rules because the have probably felt victimized all-too-often in the past, and, are now in a position to make alterations.

Why aren't umpires allowed to serve on the FED rules committee? My opinion is to eliminate FED and NCAA rules. Go with OBR across the board. Then there wouldn't be any confusion on anyone's part.
It would make it simplier but you still have to have alterations for age level. You haven't been here long, welcome by the way, but somehow I have become the defender of Fed rules. I will readily agree there are some BS Fed rules but others sorta make sense. Fed make rules for four reasons, sportsmanship, participation, safety and what I fondly call LCD.
Sportmanship:
1.Obstruction always a base, they want it to be punitive so it is alwaya a base.
2.FPSR, takes middle infielders out of harm's way.
3.MC
Participation:
1.DH for any position.
2.Re-entry for DH.
3. CRs for pitchers/catchers.
Safety:
1.FPSR, see above.
2.No jumping fielders.
3.Bat restrictions.
LCD: Lowest Common Denominator
1.Dead ball appeals.
2.Obstruction always a delayed dead ball.
3.Touching the plate, not just being completely out of the box.
I could list more for each category but the point is most of the rules have a solid reason, rules for student atheletes and it being an extension of the classroom. You want to teach them sportsmanship, get them playing as much as possible and keep them safe. The fourth, many are left over from Brad's rulings in the past. They did get rid of most of the crazy pitching restrictions, the auto appeals by the umpire and accidental appeals. It's getting better but it is not perfect.
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Originally posted by yawetag:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
That's not really a change. That was the rule in the pros for years. FED just hasn't kept up on that one.


According to Evans Annotated, the rule was changed in 1956. I don't think Fed is that far behind.


My point is given how long it was a PRO Rule, I don't think one can accuse FED of using it simply as a LCD rule. There have been some intelligent and heated discussions about it at the national level and so far FED continues to find value in it.

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