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2019Son is planning to try out for a well-known organization for its 2019 team. As I understand it from talking to folks whose kids tried out in past years, there will be ~100 kids trying out. Is it better to try out for shortstop -- and I'm assuming there will be dozens of kids at that position -- or go for a less crowded position?

 

On the one hand, I suspect there will be fewer kids at a position like 3B. On the other hand, I would think the travel coaches would just take the most talented kids, and move them to different positions if necessary. Has that been the experience of others who have been through the high school travel team process?

 

Let me try to provide some background:

  • 2019Son loves to pitch. At the high school he will be attending, they don't pitch their shortstop. So for his high school team he will not both pitch and play shortstop. He'll play wherever they want him to, but if he ends up pitching he'll be playing 3B or OF -- something other than SS. 
  • Opinion of HS Varsity head coach at a rival school who coached 2019Son for a year in a youth travel program: "He can absolutely play shortstop in this league (note: extremely strong league in largest classification in CA), but the shortest path to the next level is from the hill, and he has potential there." (Note: this rival high school also does not pitch their shortstops).
  • Conversation with different HS Varsity head coach, who hadn't see 2019Son play as much: Coach: "How tall do you think he'll end up being?"  Me: "I dunno, probably 6'1" or so." Coach: "Well, 6'1" RHP should focus on a position. At that size, they're not great pitching prospects . . . "
  • FWIW, my own take is that there will certainly be steadier shortstops at the tryout -- 2019Son is liable to boot a routine grounder! -- but in terms of range and arm strength and making the tough plays, 2019Son is likely to hold his own, though I'm sure there will be a bunch of athletic kids there.

Wording the question a different way, is it better to try out for shortstop, where the athletic bar is set high, or, say, 3B, where it is set much lower?

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Two questions

 

1.  What position does your son want to play?

2.  Is he willing to move to another position if that means being on the team?

 

End of the day it's your son's time to play and if he has the talent to play on a team like that he will get selected.  If he doesn't have the talent then it doesn't matter what position he tries out for.

Originally Posted by coach2709:

Two questions

 

1.  What position does your son want to play?

2.  Is he willing to move to another position if that means being on the team?

 

End of the day it's your son's time to play and if he has the talent to play on a team like that he will get selected.  If he doesn't have the talent then it doesn't matter what position he tries out for.

1. I think he is indifferent to position, other than pitcher, which he loves.

2. Absolutely.

 

I have no idea how they are going to run their tryout but - If your selecting players for a team you want to get the best players period. I always had all the infielders with the exception of 1st base go to SS. After I saw them all at SS start moving guys to 3B and 2B. Heck the 3rd best SS could be the best player there. He just might not be the best SS. Also if your kid is a player have him tryout period. Get a look in the outfield, infield and on the hill. It's not about trying out for a position it's about trying out for a team. If the coaches are trying to get the best players and I am sure they are I would expect them to evaluate players not positions. Good luck

Originally Posted by Coach_May:

       

I have no idea how they are going to run their tryout but - If your selecting players for a team you want to get the best players period. I always had all the infielders with the exception of 1st base go to SS. After I saw them all at SS start moving guys to 3B and 2B. Heck the 3rd best SS could be the best player there. He just might not be the best SS. Also if your kid is a player have him tryout period. Get a look in the outfield, infield and on the hill. It's not about trying out for a position it's about trying out for a team. If the coaches are trying to get the best players and I am sure they are I would expect them to evaluate players not positions. Good luck


       
Surely pitchers and catchers are an exception to this.  I am sure.you don't mean to imply that you have to be an overall player to make a team.  My son ran into a guy like this last year.  Put everyone - and I mean everyone - in middle infield to judge their 'athleticism'.  Pitchers never pitched and catchers never caught the entire tryout.  We ran as far as we could away from that.

I know of a coach who is only looking to really fill three spots during a tryout period.  SS, C and CF.  He rates all the OF as CFers.  He rates all the middle infielders as SS.  The idea being the second and third best SS can cover 3rd and 2nd, the second best catcher can be a good defensive 1st baseman and the 2nd and 3rd best CF can fill the other OF spots.  His team tend to be very good defensively and the hitting will evolve as the season goes on.  He places much more emphasis on D.  

I know of another coach is looking to fill C, SS, 2nd and CF spots defensively and the other spots come down to hitting....if you can hit you play.  His teams are interesting because they can hit but I have seen OF learning on the job, no idea about a route, throwing to the wrong spots after a hit ect.  

Originally Posted by Leftside:

       

I know of a coach who is only looking to really fill three spots during a tryout period.  SS, C and CF.  He rates all the OF as CFers.  He rates all the middle infielders as SS.  The idea being the second and third best SS can cover 3rd and 2nd, the second best catcher can be a good defensive 1st baseman and the 2nd and 3rd best CF can fill the other OF spots.  His team tend to be very good defensively and the hitting will evolve as the season goes on.  He places much more emphasis on D.  

I know of another coach is looking to fill C, SS, 2nd and CF spots defensively and the other spots come down to hitting....if you can hit you play.  His teams are interesting because they can hit but I have seen OF learning on the job, no idea about a route, throwing to the wrong spots after a hit ect.  


       
Again assuming pitchers are a separate category?
Originally Posted by 2020dad:
Originally Posted by Leftside:

       

I know of a coach who is only looking to really fill three spots during a tryout period.  SS, C and CF.  He rates all the OF as CFers.  He rates all the middle infielders as SS.  The idea being the second and third best SS can cover 3rd and 2nd, the second best catcher can be a good defensive 1st baseman and the 2nd and 3rd best CF can fill the other OF spots.  His team tend to be very good defensively and the hitting will evolve as the season goes on.  He places much more emphasis on D.  

I know of another coach is looking to fill C, SS, 2nd and CF spots defensively and the other spots come down to hitting....if you can hit you play.  His teams are interesting because they can hit but I have seen OF learning on the job, no idea about a route, throwing to the wrong spots after a hit ect.  


       
Again assuming pitchers are a separate category?

If a kid told the coach he is or wants to be a PO then yeah.  If not everyone runs through the first two days of tryouts, the third day is for kids that want to pitch.  

Tryouts are a funny animal.  At your age, the become even funnier.  Each coach has different things that they look for.  What's funny, in our town a kid may play SS on his travel team and OF on his HS team (or visa versa).  If it was me, I wouldn't go position specific.  Do infield, outfield, pitch and HIT.  On a travel team with 12-15 kids, versatility is an asset. 

Don't know what is going to happen as far as making the team is concerned, but per the consensus here, 2019Son decided to try out for shortstop. The way the tryout was run, each kid could try out at one position (in addition to pitcher and catcher) -- either OF (all lumped together), 3B, SS, 2B, or 1B. What shocked me is that of the ~75 kids at the tryout, only 5 tried out for shortstop! There were probably 35 or 40 in the OF, and 10 or so each at 3B, 2B, and 1B (and a few POs and catcher-only).

 

Of course I realize that they could move other kids to shortstop later, but I would've guessed -- as I indicated in my OP -- that there would be dozens of kids trying out for shortstop. At least I would have guessed that shortstop would be one of the positions with the most kids -- heck, there were a lot more catchers than shortstops. Live and learn, I suppose.

Almost every time a player goes to the next level the players were the pitchers, catchers, shortstops and center fielders at the previous level. Hit the ball and show athletic ability in the field. The coaches will figure out the position.

 

My son was asked to join a showcase team as a middle infielder. He ended up in center. After volunteering to play outfield rather than sit for a game the coaches decided his skills belonged in the outfield. By chance he had a couple of tough plays that game. He made them look easy. Plus he gunned down a runner at the plate.

Originally Posted by Leftside:
Originally Posted by 2020dad:
Originally Posted by Leftside:

       

I know of a coach who is only looking to really fill three spots during a tryout period.  SS, C and CF.  He rates all the OF as CFers.  He rates all the middle infielders as SS.  The idea being the second and third best SS can cover 3rd and 2nd, the second best catcher can be a good defensive 1st baseman and the 2nd and 3rd best CF can fill the other OF spots.  His team tend to be very good defensively and the hitting will evolve as the season goes on.  He places much more emphasis on D.  

I know of another coach is looking to fill C, SS, 2nd and CF spots defensively and the other spots come down to hitting....if you can hit you play.  His teams are interesting because they can hit but I have seen OF learning on the job, no idea about a route, throwing to the wrong spots after a hit ect.  


       
Again assuming pitchers are a separate category?

If a kid told the coach he is or wants to be a PO then yeah.  If not everyone runs through the first two days of tryouts, the third day is for kids that want to pitch.  

This is pretty much how we do it as well. If a kid is on the bubble and said he pitches, he gets a pen. Same for catchers. Most of the time after watching them get loose and really stretch it out I have a pretty good idea of what they'll look like in the pen, but there are surprises.

Originally Posted by chefmike7777:
Originally Posted by Pitching student:

strange that a high school doesn't allow SS to pitch also... what league is it? 

The kind with LOTS of good players

Yes, that's it exactly. One of those schools sent 16 baseball players to D-1 in the last two graduating classes alone. The other has had 3 first-round draft picks this decade, plus lots and lots of college players. For these schools, virtually every starter goes on to play college baseball, and often times reserves, or part-time players, also go on to play in college.

Originally Posted by CaCO3Girl:
Originally Posted by Pitching student:

strange that a high school doesn't allow SS to pitch also... what league is it? 

This is actually pretty common on very good teams.  The SS and Catchers will not pitch due to the different arm actions required.

Completely unrelated, but reminds me of a dad on my son's high school team.  All summer he was freaking out about the possibility of a catcher having to catch 2 games in a row.  Husband and I were dumbfounded.  All through youth ball we had a primary catcher and then a couple of kids that backed him up to give him breaks when it got really hot or just to let him get some time at another position.  When my husband finally asked him why he saw this as such a huge deal he said, "well, you'd never expect a pitcher to pitch 2 games in a row.  It's the same thing!"

Pity the poor lefties: can't play SS, 3rd or 2nd, can't catch. So they have to play OF, 1st or pitch. NTGson is athlete, God was good to him. He's fortunate to have had youth coaches who gave him the chance to experience, on a limited basis mind you, playing every position on the field. But CF and the hill are his home and hopefully he'll continue to work and improve at both.

Originally Posted by NotThatGuy:

Pity the poor lefties: can't play SS, 3rd or 2nd, can't catch. So they have to play OF, 1st or pitch. NTGson is athlete, God was good to him. He's fortunate to have had youth coaches who gave him the chance to experience, on a limited basis mind you, playing every position on the field. But CF and the hill are his home and hopefully he'll continue to work and improve at both.

I don't know.  In our last HS summer game this year, they played an all lefty infield. 

Originally Posted by NotThatGuy:

Pity the poor lefties: can't play SS, 3rd or 2nd, can't catch. So they have to play OF, 1st or pitch. NTGson is athlete, God was good to him. He's fortunate to have had youth coaches who gave him the chance to experience, on a limited basis mind you, playing every position on the field. But CF and the hill are his home and hopefully he'll continue to work and improve at both.

 

Probably the most raw talent I ever had on a LL team I coached was a lefty catcher with just incredibly quick hands and all sorts of athleticism. Great kid.  Conventional wisdom says it can't be done, yet this player has a scholly as a catcher to mid-level D1 school.

 

I'm very happy for her.

 

 

Congrats to 2019!

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