Tucker vs. Deep Run

" Well I decided to go to the Tucker/DR game tonite"....so you don't go to many games I would guess but you feel you can comment on the decisions made by a coach who is at every game and every practice and somehow you know more about his team than he does. Coach Hicks has won a district and a regional championship in his career and played in the state finals in 2003 I think and you have won every game you ever coached in I would imagine. IF DR is as loaded as you and every west end parent thinks then even the subs should be good enough to beat the Tuckers of the world. Obviously tonight they weren't. Coaches put in hundreds of hours running their programs each season and you attend a game for 90 minutes and you can assess the state of the program from your lofty vantage point. Really?

I think the AD at DR needs to step up and stop this mess. Playing time should not be up for negotiation. How are the players supposed to respect that?

LOCAL8SS-Calm down Coach! What do the glory days of the coach have to do with anything?

I have been at ALL of their games and many others games. I would not ASSUME something as you did local-ss because we all know where that leads. . . and unless you were there and unless you have been there, you do not know what you are talking about. A good baseball player does not a good coach make and let's just leave it at that. And a little jealous of the West End? What is your beef anyway? And why are you on this thread? You might have gotten a lot more of an earful than this if you had been privy to the DR powwow after the game tonite in the parking lot, a lot of people would have liked to have been a fly on that wall. Bugger off local-ss.

Actually, oldhand, based on your initial post, I agree with Local8SS. If you have other info, please share it with the group.

So Tucker knocked them off?

That will make a lot of posters here very happy.

Can anyone tell what happened in the game?

now that we know what happened in the parking lot and all the internal problems....what was the score of the game being played on the field?

Unfortunately, did not make it to this one. Final 8-1. Brooks started, Boyle came in, not sure which inning. Lane closed. Gorman pitched whole game for Tucker.

Brooks pitched 2.1 - (back stiffness). Boyle pitched through 5 I think. Lane closed. Gorman pitched a great game! Hats off to Tucker.

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Originally posted by oldhandcoach:
I was at the Tucker/Deep Run game tonite and what a game that was. One team was there to play and the other wanted to play but obvious coaching decisions prevented that from happening. There seems to be a disconnect on the DR team. And there is too much talent that is not used. It was a sloppy game on DR's part, and Tucker's Gorman went the distance.
Someone needs to get their head on straight there and quit mamby pambying to the parents that have been controlling coaches since little league and make some good decisions on the lineup or DR won't have to worry about any playoffs.

The coach has done what he was told to do - communicate with parents. Playing time is not up for negotiation. It is based on the ability to play during game time. Some kids have stepped up while others have not. The kids do respect their coach as do his former players. Also, everything mentioned about his coaching career was correct. He did have a pretty good high school and college career as well - which does by the way help in making a good coach. All the parents that are doing the talking in the parking lot should consider that high school coaches make around $2500 for a few months. It comes with a lot of responsibility and dedication to kids who aren't their own. Most people would not even consider taking on such a job.

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Originally posted by redbird5:
Actually, oldhand, based on your initial post, I agree with Local8SS. If you have other info, please share it with the group.

Per your request here is your other info:
Verbal abuse is going on.
Temper tantrums with very near physical abuse are happening.
The best nine have never been on the field together.
As I said there is a disconnect going on with this team and there has been discussion of players quitting.
And don't even get me started on how this has affected the self-esteem of the players.
The players are not being respected.
They are all on the edge and not one bit of enjoyment has come out of this season for them.
AND over 34 people interviewed for this job.
This is all true, first hand.
So local-ss, don't talk to me about the virtues, that is garbage. You aren't in this game and you have no knowledge. So keep out if you don't know what you are talking about.

Wow OldHand I didn't even post the response you are answering and I still get an ear full.
Verbal abuse is going on? Document it and give it to the principal and AD.
Temper tantrums and near physical abuse? Document it and give it to the principal and AD.
and don't get me started on the players self esteem...its fine because they have you and the rest of the parents telling them how wonderful they are all the time. Nothing is a their fault. If they miss a ball its because it took a bad hop. If they don't get a bunt down its because it wasn't a good pitch and if they K its because the ump made a bad call. Men and boys worrying about their self esteem is about as feminine as you can get. Grow up. Players are about to quit? Give one instance where a Deep Run player has quit.
34 people interviewed for this job? I know enough about the process to know there is no way they sat down with 34 people to discuss a coaching position. No organization does that. Interviewed 34 and then hired someone already in the building? Really?
So I do know what I speak of and you and the other meddling DR parents should just stay in the parking lot and then go to Home Team sports and drink a few beers and talk about about how much baseball you have coached at the high school level. Your sense of entitlement at DR is sickening. Hope I didn't hurt your self esteem.

I think they have already seen documentation of that from what I hear. Why don't you ask them to show it to you. There are copies floating around out there as well. If they so happened to misplace theirs. The AD and Principal that is.

Yes, hats off to Gorman!

man you guys are harsh! DR already got rid of one of the best high school coaches in the area and now this?
If there is the potential for physical abuse then you are right it sould be dealth with...not show up as an annonymous accusation on a public forum.

These "kids" are 18 year old young men - this isnt little league, travel ball or showcase ball where mom and dad pay a fee to watcht their kid play. If there are issues advise the kids to man up and discuss them with the coach...not go home expecting mom and dad to fix it.

My guess here is, believe it or not, somone's kid isnt playing and they are stirring the pot hoping for a mutiny?

The coach is first of all a teacher. He interacts with students on a daily basis and helps to give them an education. He has coached high school, travel ball, and little league, and is a parent. People's opinions differ on verbal abuse - coaches are passionate about what they do, and want to instill that passion and drive in their players. That isn't abuse. Physical abuse - then why hasn't he been asked to leave?

Do you guys remember the macaca moment?

In State govenment or is there something relating to DR/Tucker?

If the verbal abuse being spoken of is a coach yelling because a player doesn't do something right, then there are hundreds of coaches guilty. If it's a personal attack about how much a player sucks, ok it crosses the line. But if its about hustling or effort or something, not a big deal.

And also, telling how this thread has developed into a DR hatefest. No credit's been given to Tucker, but they deserve it. Big time win.

I was simply saying that I don't think that George Allen is gonna get the bid. I think he is done. On another note, I do not think ANYONE in thie thread has said ANYTHING bad about the players. THEY are Deep Run. A group of fine young men that seem to deserve better. I think most of us can differentiate between a Coach riding a kid and getting on them and verbal abuse. I 100% agree about Coach Odell. Knows baseball and commands respect and he had it from the players and the parents from what I understand. At least until the end. Not sure exactly what happened there and I do not think most of us have been privy to the facts. If there are seious allegations out there, let the AD and Principal look into it. If they choose to turn their heads, than people will have to judge for themselves. I am not sure, but I wonder if there is something out there that is pretty inflamatory.

"DR already got rid of one of the best high school coaches in the area."

That has got to be some kind of a sick joke. Either that or you have zero knowledge about why the prior coach was fired, facts that he admitted to, and how that all occurred.

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I was simply saying that I don't think that George Allen is gonna get the bid.

Completely irrelevant to the thread, but I will bet you that George is back in office in Jan. 2013.

Leaving aside snits and non-sequiturs, I would like to hear more about THE GAME, as I was not present.

It sounds like this is the first game where Boyle really gave it up. How did that happen? Walks, hits errors, or what?

I guess you're saying Gorman just shut them down otherwise?

From today's paper, if they're accurate (which they frequently are not), then Tucker and Deep Run are now tied for second. Given that they split their two games, who gets the 2 seed in the tourney if this stays the same to the end of regular season? Does the Colonial give any byes in the tourney? I'm wondering if the tie breakers would determine who gets a bye and how that could all shake out.

Not joking about the guy being a good high school baseball coach. I think it was a situation that got blown up by those involved. If it was as bad as everyone makes it to be then how did he keep his job as a teacher at the school? It doesnt add up.

I happen to think there are some similiarities between the two scandals, maybe it is just me. George 2012!

Was not at the game. Maybe cman can step up and give us a play by play?

The game was pretty even early on. Engler scored the first two runs for Tucker with the help of a questionable play in the field by DR (error?) and a few passed balls. Also - heads up aggressive baserunning.

DR had more hits early in the game than Tucker - but left many runners on base. Gorman kept his head and pitched out of trouble on several occasions. He pitched his game - stayed around the plate and threw junk for strikes when needed.

As the game progressed the momentum changed. While Boyle may have had an off night - he was not alone. DR was not sharp and Tucker was.

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I happen to think there are some similiarities between the two scandals, maybe it is just me. George 2012!

I think someone has failed to inform you of the facts of the prior coach's dismissal. There was nothing about it that could remotely be compared to a simple verbal statement, even if you accept the most outlandish interpretations of what Allen was pilloried for saying.

HCPS did not consult with me about the former DR coach. I did not know that you were the morality police for the school system. What evidence did they present to you and how did you verify the facts? Maybe we all should focus our attention to youtube and see what may pop up within the next few days. I seriously think anything outside of video footage will be shoved under the rug.

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Originally posted by wahoos80:
HCPS did not consult with me about the former DR coach. I did not know that you were the morality police for the school system. What evidence did they present to you and how did you verify the facts? Maybe we all should focus our attention to youtube and see what may pop up within the next few days. I seriously think anything outside of video footage will be shoved under the rug.

Would you perhaps be referring to a bucket being thrown across a locker room and nearly hitting one of the players? Somebody filmed that?

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Originally posted by 2catchers:
The coach is first of all a teacher. He interacts with students on a daily basis and helps to give them an education. He has coached high school, travel ball, and little league, and is a parent. People's opinions differ on verbal abuse - coaches are passionate about what they do, and want to instill that passion and drive in their players. That isn't abuse. Physical abuse - then why hasn't he been asked to leave?

Who said that he will not be asked to leave? If he in fact did throw a bucket at a player?? What do you think that is all about and do you honestly think this is the first time he has lost it? In the classroom or on the field or locker room. Did he just develop a clear "anger management" problem? I would bet that he has a history and everyone that was involved in giving him this coaching job, I would bet, knew about it

The bucket was not thrown at a player. The players know that. It was a reaction to a tough loss, and the fact that it didn't get put away after the game by the players - nothing more. Coaches get upset all of the time about things like that. Intentionally trying to hit a kid with a bucket - no. Obviously you don't know the coach at all if you think he has a "history."

Midlo Dad, I was there for the entire game. Feel free to call. I'll give you the play by play. Probably no longer appropriate to put it in this thread being that this thread no longer resembles the HSBBW we once knew.

Seriously, it feels like we are back in the winter when everyone was cranky and had cabin fever.

My advice to parents....enjoy these games. Your sons careers are all closer to the end to then to the beginning. Whenever they decide to retire, be it after high school, during college (me), after college or later, life moves on. So have fun! If you or your kid is not having fun, go do something else. Life is simply too short.

Well, off to another game. Hope I dont have to read about all the negative talk tomorrow when I wake up.

Rich
www.playinschool.com

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Originally posted by 2catchers:
The bucket was not thrown at a player. The players know that. It was a reaction to a tough loss, and the fact that it didn't get put away after the game by the players - nothing more. Coaches get upset all of the time about things like that. Intentionally trying to hit a kid with a bucket - no. Obviously you don't know the coach at all if you think he has a "history."

Never said it was intentional. Go back and read before you start spouting off.
"Would you perhaps be referring to a bucket being thrown across a locker room and nearly hitting one of the players?"
Do you see the word nearly? It DID nearly hit one of the players and it is NOT okay to have done that. There is NO excuse for this kind of behavior from a coach of any kind and what kind of person are you to say so? If it had hit the player, just think of the ramifications of that. It is a lucky thing it didn't hit anyone and apparently no thought was given to the ramifications before the bucket was thrown. AND this is at least the second time that the players have had poor coaching decisions taken out on them. They played the game but the coach pulls the strings on the puppets.

2Catchers-Do you have an interest in going out on a limb and stating that this guy is not abusive? Are you wiling to bet on that? Other than you got Catching in common with the guy and his nephew?
1 + 1 = 2. Did they teach you that in your advanced math class? You have got to be kidding me!

OK...lets reel this back in. If you have an issue with the coach, address him or his administration. This has developed into a character assassination, which is not permitted here. If it continues, I will close the thread.

***edited by redbird5 for attacking a kid by name...find another board to do that***

Tucker was in control and never let up, had a chance to slaughter them in the 4th with a big hit, but clearly didn't happen.

Close the thread, it doesn't change the facts. I think the point has been made. What really bothers me is that anyone on here which purports to be all about baseball and the game can condone violence from a coach excusing it by saying it was a tough loss. Any violence is inexcusable. Period.