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1. Dad comes up to me and asked how many curves we let our Middle School Team Pitchers throw in a game. I told him I don't coach the middle school but then again, I would hope zero. (I know that they throw curveballs and I'm not happy about it. However, ...) This Dad then says his son pitched the other night in relief and out of 21 pitches, his son threw 10 curves. THOUGHTS! (1 2/3rds innings.)

2. Dad comes up to me and says his son pitched the other night. I told him that I didn't even realize his son was a pitcher. He said, he isn't and has never pitched in a game before. I asked if his son practiced as a pitcher. He said no. The coach was upset with the pitchers and so, to prove a point, his son was put into the game to pitch. THOUGHTS! (Dad was furious since very high pitch count but don't know acutal number.)

I wish I was making both scenerios up but I am not. Thank goodness, this isn't our middle school program they are referring to. Both Dad and both kids are fantastic players/people. I wish the kids were in our school district. I hope they don't get hurt playing middle school ball.

"Failure depends upon people who say I can't."  - my dad's quote July 1st, 2021.  CoachB25 = Cannonball for other sites.

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Scenario #1.....too many curves, for sure. 14 year olds, in my opinion, should be limited to less than ten curves per game, or perhaps one of every eight pitches.

Scenario #2.....I wouldn't have a problem with putting a middle schooler on the mound in a game for the first time......but the reasoning is not mature, and a high pitch count for a first time pithcer is definitely inappropriate. Let him try to get three outs, if he is throwing strikes, then perhaps you have a kid you can work with.
hey now, I find myself agreeing with you, grateful Smile lol
I'll explain further - when I was coaching that age group, I was TUTORED by knowlegable BB people to go with about 12% CB, and to plan our pitch calling with that in mind using setup pitches, waste pitches etc.
we could still compete and our arms would be better off with it

unfortunatly, what you most often see is LAZY "non COACHING" - ie: allow the kid to throw CB's till his arm falls off, because other kids at that age can't hit the CB well, thus allowing coaches to win games and advance at the "mere" cost of some pitchers being harmed

I guess a small price to pay for a good coaching resume?
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As for scenario #1, when I coached JV (14-16) back in the early 90's, we wouldn't let a player throw a curve until they could locate the fastball and changeup. And only then would we allow a pitcher to throw a curve once they demonstrated the appropriate arm motion.

As for scenario #2, the coach is just flat out stupid. Proving a point to the other pitchers by throwing a non-pitcher to the wolves is ludicrous. Mop up time for 1 inning is one thing, but from what I read the coach went way over the line.
CoachB,

Replied to you earlier that I would try and "talk" more, so......I guess I have a few questions here.

What is the background of this "coach in question"?

Is he an ex-"player"? If so, from what kind of program?

How old is he?

How long has he been coaching?

Does he teach where he coaches? (does he know these kids off the field?)

Seems like the answers to these questions might give us more insight as to "why" some of this is going on.
I have a buddy in the area whose 10 year old plays on a successful/elite travel team. I went to see a tournament and while not surprised to see a few pitchers trying to spin a few there were a number of kids snapping off pretty good cb's and the worst thing was THE COACHES WERE CALLING THEM! That is pathetic at that age & the coaches actually looked down on the few kids who didn't throw them.
1- Good pitchers at that level shouldn't NEED to throw that many curves. Young kids with strong arms who are taught to throw strikes can get by without throwing curves at all - a good change is a better pitch at that level (especially on the arm).

2- I don't think a non-pitcher throwing at that level is a major problem. I agree with the 1st poster that the reason for throwing the kid is quite juvenile.

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