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Umpire doesn't know the count

F 4Falcons10+ posts
Situation from a game the other night:
2 outs, runners on 1st and 2nd, count is 2-2...third base coach asks the base umpire what the count is, to which he replies incorrectly, 3 and 2...third base coach starts his runners and a ball is thrown....the runner on 2nd, thinking it was a walk, eases up before reaching 3rd base and is thrown out by the catcher. 3rd base coach goes ballistic at the umpire because he told him the wrong count. The umpire...instead of saying "i'm sorry, it is my fault" .. rips into the 3rd base coach and tells him that it is his responsibility to know the count. What is the ruling....do u send the runners back and resume with a real 3-2 count or do u call the runner out on a steal?
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jjkjjk500+ posts
Poor, poor mechanics, there is no way out, no mulligans, no do overs, the out stands. The umpire should have VERIFIED THE COUNT with his partner, very easy, in a loud enough voice for all to hear, "I have 3-2" with the count displayed to his partner, that simple, problem gone. It is very easy to miss the count when on the bases, or base coaching, you've got other things going on at times. The only way to be sure is to check with all parties. I've seen it happen in the bigs, when the score board had it wrong. So check, check, check. vf
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
Agreed, bad mechanics.........but the base umpire keeps the count only for his information and for a back up for the plate umpire. It is not the official count and although the umpire should not have ripped the 3rd base coach, his comment is correct, it is the coaches responsiblity to know the count.....

No do over, runner out......
F fvb10100+ posts
What you'll find is that most good base umpires don't carry an indicator. The plate umpire is being paid to keep the count, and he is the right person to request the count from.

If I happen to be on the bases and have someone request a count, then I will ALWAYS (even when I'm sure I've got it right) request it from my plate guy, just so I don't get it wrong. As the BU, it's not my primary job to know the count, I have other more important (to the BU) concerns.

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