Unbreakable Abs and Speed Camp

Here's a good link for core workout.

Edgerrin James' Core Workout.

Youth althetes should not be doing a program that a professional athlete does (especially a genetic freak such as Edge).

Their body is not the same and has different needs. This will only lead to overtraining, muscular imbalances and possibly injury.

Why because it's free?

Where not talking weights here (max reps max weight), we're talking core midsection BASIC exercises,
1. crunches...done'em, started when I was in football in 7th grade,
2.bicycle crunches....been there done that since fresh HS
3. Hip curls, them too started in HS

OK, all those who looked at the webpage from SI.... you owe me two installments of $34.95, if you act now we'll knock off one entire payment.

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Originally posted by Roll-it-up:

Questions I have are:
Is the Speed camp enough at one time?
Can you do the UA program while doing Speed Camp and playing summer ball?
Anyone tries the swiss ball workout for flexibility and ab work?

Thanks in advance for educating me.

Not to get side tracked but anyone have comments on the questions?

Nothing to do with free...Not sure that comment was needed either.

Real core training is done standing up, not on your back. Baseball is played on your feet. Core training should take place on your feet as well.

Roll-it-up,

If the speed camp is done properly it can help tremendously.

Yes UA can be done in conjunction.

Have not viewed Mr. Ford's video, but the stability ball used properly can have a positive impact.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe football is played on your feet too.

Agree with JD, speed camp can help tremendously.

And when I train NFL athletes (and HS/NCAA football players) I have them train their core on their feet.

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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
Real core training is done standing up, not on your back.

Core training should take place on your feet as well.

Again, 100% correct.

That's cool, different strokes for different folks. There's more than one door that enters the same room.

Agreed there is more than 1 way for just about anything in life...

But when it comes to sport-specific training most (not all) of below-average, average and even above-average athletes can only get away with ineffective training techniques for so long. It does catch up to them eventually (the level is dependant upon many factors and the individual) and they just cannot compete with the competition at the level they are playing at.

Elite athletes can (and usually do) overcome poor training protocols because their skill-set is just higher than everyone else. That's just the way it is.

I am not saying elite athletes do not work hard. In fact, some of the hardest working athletes I have ever trained were of the elite variety. When you combine an elite athlete with the unique mindset and proper training protocols is when you get a great athlete.

As I understand it, one of the central premises, if not the central premise, of Jon's philosopy is that that you should train the muscles you use, in the manner you use them. For example, baseball involves a lot of rotational movement, both in swinging a bat and pitching. Therefore you must train rotational movements. Do the exercises listed below do that? No. But there are others, like those detailed in Unbreakable Abs, that do.

I have Jon's Unbreakable Abs book and video. They are well worth the money. (If only I could get my son to use them more.) I also have the new Tom House book, Fastball Fitness. House and his group have also adopted the philosopy that you must train rotational movements. House has his own suggested exercises for developing rotational strength/flexibility. He also includes chapters detailing programs developed by other trainers/therapists/etc. To me, they all appear to be variations on a theme.

I commend both Unbreakable Abs and Fastball Fitness to all of you. My apologies to Jon if I have misstated his philosopy.

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Originally posted by Glove Man:
Why because it's free?

Where not talking weights here (max reps max weight), we're talking core midsection BASIC exercises,
1. crunches...done'em, started when I was in football in 7th grade,
2.bicycle crunches....been there done that since fresh HS
3. Hip curls, them too started in HS

OK, all those who looked at the webpage from SI.... you owe me two installments of $34.95, if you act now we'll knock off one entire payment.

So Hoovedawg....did you request your money back? Are you that dissatisfied? He has a guarantee you know.

Just curious as I've heard lot's of good stuff about his program.

Unbreakable Abs has enjoyed tremendous consumer feedback from youth ballplayers to MLB athletes.

I am very proud of the program and completely stand behind it.

Hoove, I think it's important to remember that one person's genetic makeup is different than another. Thus, you will not always yield the same results as someone else who has used Jon's or anyone else's program.

That doesn't make the program bad, plus there may be other factors involved with why your velocity has not increased. What those factors are, I have no clue.

As for the genetic make up--i thinks thats nearly as much bs as Jon's claims.

I'm not all that different than the average person--5'10" a bit under 150 lbs. My genetics are about average--I know people with better and i know people with worse genetics.

The bottom line it that the program did not work for me, thus i highly don't reccomend it to anyone.

Jon, My son is still using your program in season along with 70% in season program from your renegade people. We are stll very happy with both programs.

I have not measured all gains as we work the ap program from Ron Woolforth in during the week also.

99.9% of feedback is very positive. No false claims are ever made.

2bagger...Glad to hear you're enjoying the program.

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Originally posted by Hoovedawg:
As for the genetic make up--i thinks thats nearly as much bs as Jon's claims.

I'm not all that different than the average person--5'10" a bit under 150 lbs. My genetics are about average--I know people with better and i know people with worse genetics.

The bottom line it that the program did not work for me, thus i highly don't reccomend it to anyone.

I would like to see your training program and nutrition that you also used when doing UA.

I wrote a review in the past, I never really graded it but I would say it is a 10/10, and when I compare it to other baseball training protocol that can be found on the internet it scores even higher. This summer I will be doing UA again, writing up a log, again, and also doing Million Dollar Hitter (writing a log for that too). I have no problem spendng money on any of Jon's programs after the experience I had with UA.

I'll have to say, most people voice thier opinion when they are dissatisfied with something. I have heard very little dissatisfacting with the UA program and many praises. That speaks volumes to me.