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VERY Strange...how is this scored for the hitter?

scdiggerscdigger500+ posts
Hope I can even explain what I saw last night...

Extra innings first region game of the year, bottom of the 8th, tied score 3-3, bases loaded, 2 outs, full count, all runners on the move...ball four! Players rush the baserunner that just came home, they surround the batter...yes, the batter, in the bedlam, the batter never took first base after the walk, everyone was caught up in the moment, many of us outside the fence were yelling to "take the base!" Once someone finally got his attention, he runs down to first...the celebration continues, but then wait...umpire pow-wow...they ruled the batter OUT (although we didn't ever figure out the exact ruling...I guess it either had something to do with either going out of the base line during the celebration or being touched by the other players...something).

So, we move to the 10th. Visting team goes up by three runs...bottom of the 10th home team comes back and hits two, 2-run homeruns to walkoff the visiting team...redemption for the batter that didn't take first....

Long story short, how is the out recorded? Does he get credit for a walk, and then an out? That was by-far the strangest thing I think I had ever seen on the ball field.

"...the cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder, I'm an over-forty victim of fate..."

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MU Mr Umpire100+ posts
First, since the batter actually completed the touch, I would not rule him out. Baseline does not apply in this case b/c no play was being made. It sounds like they called him out for abandonment.

IMO, wrong call. He didn't go in the dugout and he did actually complete the touch. They may have a rule to call it under but I think they are wrong by any interpretations. They grabbed the wrong end IMO.

As for scoring it, I would imagine this is a put out by the closest player to him at the time of being called out. So, something like an out followed by F2 who was the closest one. This is pure speculation of how these things relate when other strange put outs occur.

I just thought I would comment on how the umpires should not have called an out. But, this is a HTBT to see everything that occurred. Did the batter actually go into the dugout? What rule set were they playing under since that may lead to why the out was called?

I would not have called him out for abandonment since it was a base on balls unless he went into the dugout.
scdiggerscdigger500+ posts
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I just thought I would comment on how the umpires should not have called an out. But, this is a HTBT to see everything that occurred. Did the batter actually go into the dugout? What rule set were they playing under since that may lead to why the out was called?
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No he was just kind of milling around in front of the plate enjoying the celebration...SC High School rules...have to be honest, not exactly what rules they use.
FM Former Member
Interesting.

The only rule that might apply I can think of is
e. When player does not proceed to first base after:
1) A base on balls.
EFFECT — The ball is live. The batter-runner is out if and when they leave the field of play. Each runner may advance with liability to be put out. Since that was the third out he never made it to first to force the runners to advance. But from your description he didnt leave the field of play. Unless he stepped into the dugout.

I thought of the coach's interference rule if he help the player go to first but that does not apply because the coach would have to physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or first base.

So we have several knowledgable umpires here I am sure they wil chime in.
FM Former Member
Still a bad call IMO and I agree with Mr Umpire above. You can high five, pat on the back. etc without breaking rule 7.08 and it reads...

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or first base.

And in this case he was neither "Returning to or Leaving 1st base.
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by scdigger:
Just talked with the coach...the umpire's ruling was he was called out as an assisted runner...the moment someone touched him (one player even jumped on him!), he became an assisted runner...lesson learned. And can add that one to the list of things I'll probably never see again.


Still, possibly the wrong call by the book and definitely the wrong call by practice.

The B/R does not become an "assited runner" the moment he is touched. Touching means nothing. The key is "assisting." The rule prohibits a runner being assisted to or from a base.

The umpires screwed the pooch here, in my opinion. Even if someone pushed him towards first, this does not fall within the scope of the intent of the rule.

Somebody looked for a booger and found one.
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by GovernorTim:

(h) In the judgment of the umpire, the base coach at third base, or first base, by touching or holding the runner, physically assists him in returning to or leaving third base or first base.

And in this case he was neither "Returning to or Leaving 1st base.


That's just one situation. The rule also covers leaving home or running to first. It also covers to and from second base. (example, a trailing runner assisting.)

That said, I agree that the call should not have been made.
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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by scdigger:
Just talked with the coach...the umpire's ruling was he was called out as an assisted runner...the moment someone touched him (one player even jumped on him!), he became an assisted runner...lesson learned. And can add that one to the list of things I'll probably never see again.


Coach Tim is quoting the OBR rule and the NFHS rule differs...

Here is the NFHS rule...

3-2-2

During playing action a coach may not "physically assist" a runner.

Penalty- The ball is delayed dead and the batter runner is out.

It seems from the new post from scdigger that the umpire ruled that the runner was physically assisted...

So that needs some clarification, touching, high fiving, slapping, hugging is not physical assistance.....so the comment that the moment he was touched he became an assisted runner is incorrect....

Now we have to go to the accepted umpire manuals to determine what "physical assist" means....

Childress defines "Physically assist" as any deliberate touching of a runner that is intended to communicate coaching instructions such as "get back" or "go now"

All this leads us back to the point that we may have a HTBT...if in that scrum of celebration a coach physically assisted the runner on his way to first, it could have been the right call....

really would like to have seen this to be sure...but given the details we know from this poster, I would not have made that call...
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scdiggerscdigger500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by piaa_ump:

really would like to have seen this to be sure...but given the details we know from this poster, I would not have made that call...


Hey PIAA, thanks for the input...there was no "assistance" other than a lot of yelling, "go to first"...however, the only contact was that done in celebration...end the end we won, and we learned from it...
JMoffJMoff1,000+ posts
The original question asked, "How is this scored?"

According to OBR 10.14 (c): If a batter awarded a base on balls is called out for refusing to advance to first base, the official scorer shall not credit the base on balls and shall charge a time at bat.

I would give the put out to the catcher, who was the closest defensive player to the "play".

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