Madison beats Hayfield 18-0
West Potomac over WS 9-0. WS a very poorly played game.
WS will be running today, no baseball skill work or hitting, no attitude adjustments, just running.
2forU posted:West Potomac over WS 9-0. WS a very poorly played game.
WS will be running today, no baseball skill work or hitting, no attitude adjustments, just running.
That'll learn 'em.
None of the coaches run
Well then, at least the players should find themselves well-conditioned should they inadvertently find themselves in a marathon or a lacrosse game.
JMU_2016 posted:Madison beats Hayfield 18-0
I posted it after the game then removed it, but decided to put it back up: Although Madison is a very good team, they had a few decidedly non-classy parents who openly insulted several of our players the entire game, even when thrashing Hayfield. Bush.
3.5 hr of running at WS last night to get ready for the Annandale game.
If you have ever dealt with a difficult to control mother-in-law then you might understand the difficulty in dealing with some of the Madison parents. And winning 18-0 a high school fan has to let anything but unsafe play go quietly-sorry you and your players had to deal with insults. Given that, I'll say in the relative privacy and anonymity of this forum that the Hayfield team can invite talk from some at times. Dugout chirps at the left side of the infield and 3b coach throughout the game, on field the normal friendly back and forth is more of a football pretend tough guy talk, and the players display a teen attempt at macho that shows they have yet to be taught to play the game the right way. For example, a player getting HBP on an 0-2 curveball and yapping at the pitcher and acting tough guy offended when he is a light hitter anyway should not be tolerated. Players talking AT opposing coaches should not be tolerated. At Hayfield it looks like those things are tolerated-even encouraged. Yes, they are teenagers trying to figure it out, and hopefully coaches corrected issues in private and I am completely wrong, but I've seen a few Hayfield games and got the feeling that isn't the case. If you want the pulse of a team get away from the bleachers. Go stand unobtrusively at the far end of the dugout and listen.
Of course, Hayfield is not perfect, no team is. And some of that starts at the top. I've spoken with many really experienced HS baseball parents from other power teams and I've heard time and again for years that they set the standard for offensive parents. In fact, one of those good friends texted me, and I quote "Oh. There are obnoxious parents and then there are Madison parents."
Let's take this offline and focus on positive baseball.
In my experience Madison fans are good, with the exception of a small few. Unfortunately those few are loud and tend to sit right close to the opposing fans, so their gaffes are what people remember, and that colors the whole program. Focus on the kids and you will see what the Madison program really teaches.
The Madison team has been playing extremely well-hitting the snot out of the ball up and down the lineup. Guys who waited their turn to play are showing up big, and the pitching has been super. Hayfield has a lot of ability, but as a team they seem to show up some nights and others not so much. Hopefully they play well consistently down the stretch!
I am going to refrain a bit because I have spoken on this latest side topic in the past but feel free to search my previous posts. Will only add that while I think dealing with the chatter and other distractions are part of the game, I still maintain that attempting to humiliate the other team and pass it off as being a "fan" is definitely bush. Teenagers are not exempt but at least it's understandable... parents and coaches get no pass on this from me, whatsoever. Just my 2 cents ... I can make change.
Madison walks off 4-3 over Fairfax. Jack Kidd hit the game winning homer in the bottom of the 7th
Centreville runs over Chantilly 10-2 ... lots of good baseball played tonight ... but most of it was demonstrated by Centreville ... remember the name Thomas Trinca ... this Centreville freshman can mash!
Westfield over Chantilly 5-0 last night. Westfield SO RHP Danny Leo with the complete game shut-out ... both teams only recorded three hits a piece but Westfield maximized their opportunities. Westfield and Oakton have both been playing very good baseball this whole season and Centreville & Herndon are surging as of late. Love this game!
Robinson over Chantilly last night 10-7 ... a barn-burner for sure as Chantilly jumped out to a 7-2 lead but scored 8 runs in the bottom of the 5th to seal the win. Over 20 hits racked up between both teams.
WS with a good win over SC and a Senior night win over Mt. Vernon. "If you can hit" doesn't mean you won't sit
Chantilly over Oakton 6-2 tonight.
WS at LB tonight - big game, playing for 1st.
Upset in Conference 5 as Herndon defeats Oakton 5-3 last night ... Chantilly at Centreville tonight at 630pm ... hope it's more competitive than the last time they played!
I will be at the LB/WS game even though my son goes to Hayfield. Should be a nice night for HS baseball.
WS 3 - LB 1 (LB still top seed in patriot conference 7, WS #2)
Does anyone have a link to the end of season tournament schedule?
Centreville over Chantilly 5-4 last night ... great game ... Centreville playing at Oakton right now.
West Potomac at WS tonight. West Potomac is 2-0 vs WS this year.
Madison v Mclean gets going here in about 30 minutes.....Mclean beat Madison 3-2 in the regular season finale, and played Madison tight in last year's tournament final ( a 1-0 Madison win), but I think Madison blows them away today. South Lakes v Langley in the late game at 7:00. Both games at Madison.
Looks like a Madison blowout. Top 5th and Madison is on top 18-0
LB loses in a shocker to South County. SC vs WS We'll see who shows up to hit.
Madison was downright destructive.....Mclean didn't play poorly (no errors), but their pitching was bp for Madison. Nielsen cruised through 5, 2 hits and 1 bb, 1 run on 58 pitches. Looked smooth and easy. Madison had 19 hits, 11 from 9 different players for extra bases, including Goldsmith grand slam. 19-4 final, and it could have been much worse. In the late game South Lakes blew a 7-1 3rd inning lead with walks and hit batters, letting Langley back in the game, and Langley took advantage, ultimately winning 11-7. Osburn shut South Lakes down with good junk.
Madison vs. Langley is on a 30 minute delay because of lightning in the top of the 6th. Madison was down 6-2 after 2 innings and has climbed back to take the lead at 7-6.
Madison holds on to win 7-6. Matt Howat went 6+ innings in relief and gave up only 1 run
WS 4 SC 0, onto regionals. Congrats WS!
Does it look like the left side of the bracket is a little tougher than the right side?
"left" does seem more difficult.
Looking forward to a Madison vs Patriot showdown.
Excellent preview of tonight's games:
http://www.novabaseballmagazin...?referrer_id=3252642
Cripes, this is one tough region!
Oakton over McLean 3-1. Any other scores?
Robinson over Langley 6-4
Madison over Centreville 4-1
Madison over Centreville 4-1. Patriot over West P 6-0. Robinson over Langley 6-4.
LB over Osbourne Park 5-1
WS over Osbourne 3-0
Battlefield over SC 9-6 (someone hit a grand slam for battlefield)
I believe Westfield vs South Lakes was cancelled
Westfield v South Lakes 5:45 at Waters tonight.
Madison beats Lake Braddock 6-0. Danie Gerke with a solo homer in the first and Sophomore Matt Howat threw a one hitter.
JMU_2016 posted:Madison beats Lake Braddock 6-0. Danie Gerke with a solo homer in the first and Sophomore Matt Howat threw a one hitter.
I was at the game from start to finish down the 3rd baseline. Madison played very well and their starting pitcher dropped in first-pitch strike after strike, and when LB hit it hard (not very often) it was right at a player. Madison hit well per usual. But as for Gerke's HR, and my son played travel ball with him, that was easily the biggest wind-assist HR I have ever witnessed in person!
WS 9 - Westfield 2
Can anyone explain why Oakton and West Springfield are hosting the semi's when Madison and Patriot have much stronger records and have clearly been the best two teams in the region? Just seems rather odd
I was told that it was due to Oakton and WS being in a larger conference
2forU posted:I was told that it was due to Oakton and WS being in a larger conference
Huh, that doesn't make much sense because Madison was in the largest conference in the region. Perhaps it was a coin toss?
You need some luck sometimes....and it sure looks like mother nature and the lighting delays helped Madison out last night. Nielsen can come back tonight to pitch, and after 23 pretty low stress pitches through 2.1 I'd expect he will. But Lamon is done AND Patriot/West Springfield is tied in the 7th with Price and Williams done, and a real possibility that they will both burn their #2s also tonight. If Madison wins tonight they could go into regional final against Patriot/WestSpringfield with Howat & Kopka vs. a #3. Gotta like the odds there.
Beating Oakton tonight is no gimme--Toma and Richards can both deal, but I don't think either is pitching as well as Lamon right now. Too bad about the rain-Lamon was throwing a no hitter through 3, and Nielsen had given up just 1 hit. It was shaping up to be a great duel, although Madison's grinding at the plate was likely to force Oakton to the bullpen early even without the weather. (already 64 pitches through 3 on Owen) Good luck to both today.
Allinfun posted:...although Madison's grinding at the plate was likely to force Oakton to the bullpen early even without the weather...
This can't be overstated! Well done by the Madison lineup.
I'm surprised given the clearly/consistently bad forecast that both games were not simply moved up an hour or two.
Madison as a team always seems to take a lot of pitches with a clear purpose to burn through the starting pitcher. I do not state this in a bad way; it's a very sound strategy and serves them well.
Per VHSL rules, No pitcher may throw more than 51 pitches over two consecutive days. If a pitcher throws 51 pitches over two consecutive days, one calendar day of rest must be observed. So Nielsen has 28 pitches to work with tonight. They may end up having to burn Howat.
I stand corrected on Nielsen's availabiltiy, thank you rollapairjr. That evens things up for Oakton and the Patriot/WS winner a good deal.
To be clear, I don't think Madison was taking to draw walks, except maybe Counts to lead off the game--but that is his job in that situation and he did it really well. Got on, turned a DP into 2 on-nobody out with a running back move on groundball to 2nd, and had a great dirtball read against a D1 bound catcher to make it 2nd and 3rd with nobody out instead of 2 outs nobody on. Madison battled at the plate, took 26 swings to Oakton's 9. Yes, Counts started the game with a 5 pitch walk, but the next batter got 4 strikes, next 4 strikes. In the 2nd, Freck had a 9 pitch K and Nielsen a 7 pitch walk. In the third Counts a 6 pitch K and Novak a 7 pitch 1-2 flyout. Those last 4 ABs alone are 6 more pitches than the entire Oakton team saw last night in their 7 plate apprearances-they made the pitcher WORK. Tough, quality ABs against a quality pitcher. Impressive to watch, and just as impressive to watch Lamon bow up and win each inning.
I believe that rule interpretation means the pitcher, if he goes over 51, would have to rest the required number of days where he ends up at the end of his outing. He can throw as many as he is able, but they may want to limit and throw him Friday. Since 51 is over two days, you only have to rest one day and not 2 (as if you threw that many in one game).
*If a pitcher throws 51-75 pitches in a day, two (2) calendar days of rest must be observed.
*If a pitcher throws 26-50 pitches in a day, one (1) calendar day of rest must be observed.
*If a pitcher throws 1-25 pitches in a day no calendar day of rest is required before pitching again.
No pitcher may throw more than 51 pitches over two consecutive days. If a pitcher throws 51 pitches over two consecutive days, one calendar day of rest must be observed.
I'm no expert, but reading that, "No pitcher may throw more than 51 pitches over two consecutive days." Looks to me by that Nielsen will be limited to 28-hard stop or forfeit.
Late back and forth affair between Oakton and Madison, with OHS taking it 3-2 on a walk off. Nielsen was able to pitch most of the game, and Howat came into a tough situation that ultimately led to Rippey's walk off sac fly. Seth Richards was pinged by Novak and Goldsmith's back 2 back dingers in the top of the 6th, but held steady over 4 innings for the W.
With Madison joining next year, District 5 will be the most competitive district in the Commonwealth if not the DMV.
WS loses in 8 to Patriot. WS first three batters in the bottom of 7 were completely unprepared to attack the baseball, two batters strike out looking and watched other meatballs, the other a very weak swing ground out to 2b. WS flat and unprepared. Patriot lead off walk (controversy over non called strikes from the WS perspective). Bunt,3b fielding and throwing error, runners now on first and third. One run scored and that was all they needed. Patriot came out energized and it showed. Disappointed in WS - again - way too much talent not being used correctly. Watching pitches, clearly strikes, blaming the Umpires, and then complaining about the called balls and strikes. Coaches throwing baseballs at the umpire after the loss - good grief.
Oakton coaches should be recognized for their perfect handling of some serious gamesmanship by the Madison coaching staff. Presented with a situation where many coaches would have been up in arms, exhibiting the worst kind of example for the players, the Oakton head coach's response was measured, confident, and professional. His confidence undoubtedly played a role in how the Oakton players responded on the field to get the W. You can see how he gets everything out of his players. Leadership clinic.
2forU posted:Coaches throwing baseballs at the umpire after the loss - good grief.
Wait...WHAT????
Coach ejected after the game (not sure how the rules work on this), scream fest, baseballs, & umpire blaming. The baseballs were not thrown like you were trying to bean them, but a handful of baseballs somehow went from hand to and at the umpires walking off the field. Some of fans in the stands should also be ashamed of their behavior. They were still yelling at the umpires in the parking lot - some pride themselves on giving the umpire a hard time when calls do not go their way. 3 of the last 6 batters, game staring you in the face, someone throws you a mediocre belt high fastball in a 1-2 count, you swing (or you can watch the called strike and blame the umpire).
I haven't heard of a post-game ejection for HS baseball.
http://www.novabaseballmagazin...?referrer_id=3240250
Kind of an apologist (pro-Madison) take on the situation, but good summary nonetheless, regarding Madison-Oakton game and "controversy." Still amazed how written descriptions of pitch count limits, given their huge importance, can get so muddled over and over again!
How is a post game ejection handled on the last game of the season (if a post game ejection really exists)? Does it get enforced on the first game of the next season? If it doesn't exist, how are the infractions that preceded the ejection handled (fines / reprimand)?
2forU posted:WS loses in 8 to Patriot. WS first three batters in the bottom of 7 were completely unprepared to attack the baseball, two batters strike out looking and watched other meatballs, the other a very weak swing ground out to 2b. WS flat and unprepared. Patriot lead off walk (controversy over non called strikes from the WS perspective). Bunt,3b fielding and throwing error, runners now on first and third. One run scored and that was all they needed. Patriot came out energized and it showed. Disappointed in WS - again - way too much talent not being used correctly. Watching pitches, clearly strikes, blaming the Umpires, and then complaining about the called balls and strikes. Coaches throwing baseballs at the umpire after the loss - good grief.
As a Spartan parent who watched from behind the backstop last Wednesday (and after a few days to get over the disappointment) this post cries out for some perspective... IMO WS was no less "prepared to attack the baseball" (whatever that is supposed to mean) than Patriot was. The difference --clearly obvious to both Patriot and West Springfield fans near home plate-- was the blatant absence of a consistent strike zone-- The P pitcher ( who is very talented, and did NOT need any special treatment) was given strikes at the shoulders, at the shins, and on both edges.. . certainly no "meatballs" from my vantage point.
If that was the way the game was to be called I'd have no complaint, but the difference when WS took the field was staggering...P took the SAME approach at the plate that WS did--make the pitcher work, but they got the calls .--WS's Lyons threw no fewer than three table-drop curves right down the middle in that critical top of the 8th inning that were not called; one should have been strike 3, and would have changed the entire inning.
The bottom of the 8th was a complete joke--the plate ump made sure who was going to win, and I didn't see any balls thrown at him-- he was too busy beating a hasty retreat for the parking lot for the hot date or whatever he had planned for the evening.... between this incompetence, and the blown pickoff call the night before -- it's a criminal shame for both teams that the level of umpiring is so pathetically beneath the level of play at this time of the season.
I will agree though, that this WS coaching staff consistently accomplishes less with more...the 2016 and 2017 senior classes were loaded, but as teams, they did not approach what their potential indicated.
Congrats to the Pioneers.
WS was loaded? like the '09 and '10 teams loaded? yeah not even close. they were a good team that played above their potential. they won 10 straight, capturing a conference championship (in the toughest conference) along the way, before falling to a more talented Patriot team which WS had on the ropes with a 3-1 lead in the 6th inning. they finished with an 18-6 record but they didn't even approach their potential? was their potential 26-0 with a state title? give me a break, WS had a great year so just be proud of what they accomplished. If you had seen the rest of the teams play this season you would know that Of the 4 conference winners, Patriot, Oakton and Madison were all clearly more talented and WS still had a punchers chance in the end. credit to Coach Olms and the boys on a fine season. it didn't end the way they would have liked but hats off for a good run.
WS was loaded? like the '09 and '10 teams loaded? yeah not even close. they were a good team that played above their potential. they won 10 straight, capturing a conference championship (in the toughest conference) along the way, before falling to a more talented Patriot team which WS had on the ropes with a 3-1 lead in the 6th inning. they finished with an 18-6 record but they didn't even approach their potential? was their potential 26-0 with a state title? give me a break, WS had a great year so just be proud of what they accomplished. If you had seen the rest of the teams play this season you would know that Of the 4 conference winners, Patriot, Oakton and Madison were all clearly more talented and WS still had a punchers chance in the end. credit to Coach Olms and the boys on a fine season. it didn't end the way they would have liked but hats off for a good run.
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I would totally agree, i thought you were spot on ROLLAPAIRJR
Let's go Oakton!
WB 3, Oakton 0.
I watched the Oakton game. Well attended. Solid defense and pitching. WB had an emergency hack bloop 2 RBI single that until a sole WB HR, looked like it would be the difference. Oakton hit several mile-high pop-ups and lots of grounders and flyballs.
C'est la vie.
Western Branch 6, Cox 4