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I'm a newbie to this site, seeking advice from you veterans of the recruiting process (which I similarly know little about, but am learning on the fly). My son is an '06 catcher in one of the best h.s. programs in Florida. Good size, good mechanics, good arm, good bat, good head. He's being actively recruited by several major-conference D-1 programs in the southeast. They saw him play in a series of showcase games last fall. He was clocked by MLB scouts popping two runners at second in times of 1.94 and 1.91 in a game in September '04. He's an excellent student, with a 4.0 GPA (4.7 weighted), and truly wants to play major college ball. However, he's not a starter.

He plays behind a Sr. whose baseball abilities are similar, whose friendship he has held and respected for eight years, and who also had to wait his turn to become a one-year starter at our school. Further, the senior’s die is cast. He has a full ride to a junior college this fall, though I believe he has high hopes concerning the June draft. My son has never challenged or questioned coaching decisions regarding starting assignments or playing time, and understands his "fate" as a product of the road he chose; that is to say, the program he plays for which is his districted h.s. He's a quiet, happy kid, and a fierce competitor and leader on the field. He accepts and embraces his role on the team while continuing to bust his hump for any and every opportunity to play. …a team player all the way. My son’s positive attitude through this is a testament to his character.

Though his mother and I are frustrated by this situation, we have never challenged a coach, and will not start now. I admire and respect the job he does which cannot be easy. However, is there anything we could, or should say to the coach here? He’s very high on my son, though that hasn’t translated to playing time. …maybe broach the topic while seeking advice concerning visibility? There are often coaches at our games but I’m not aware of any who have seen my son catch. While I recognize that the senior has paid his dues, worked hard, and holds “seniority”, I also know that wheels that don’t squeak never get oiled. I understand further that the coaches are at every practice and team meeting and are privy to more details concerning the development of these boys as baseball players than any parent could be. However, it was intimated by an assistant who helps out with our team’s catchers in the early weeks, just before he left for spring training, (he’s a AAA catcher, non-roster invitee) that my son would see plenty of playing time based on what he saw in the first few weeks of practice. This man is not generally one who “blows sunshine”. All of this has made it difficult for me to accept his primary role as a bullpen catcher in this all-important junior year.

He's gotten a couple of calls this month from coaches or recruiting directors who are interested in him. Fine. ...very exciting and encouraging. There's one school however that my son is pursuing who has not seen him play. ...happens to be one of the premier programs in the country, both athletically and academically. They have been responsive because he looks good on paper, and likely received a positive report from my son's h.s. coach. Their director of recruiting called him last week. Conversation was going well until the subject of playing time arose. When he learned that my son has seen limited action this year, (6 plate appearances, one game behind the plate plus scattered mop-up innings) he was less than positive in his assessment. ...something to the effect of, "If you aren't starting as a junior, what do you think you can do for us?" And that call came the same day as a conversation with his summer coach who expressed his surprise at lack of playing time, and advised him that he needed to be on the field. Now my son is notably discouraged, given the importance of this window in his baseball life to the recruiting process. ...NLI day less than seven months away. This is where I need some advice from y’all. (That’s you all to any of you who are unfortunate enough to live anywhere other than the south.)

He will play this summer for a national team out of Atlanta and will, I expect, get some great exposure. Further, we will get him to a showcase or two this fall. We will continue to do all we can to get him seen on the field and to get his name and ability to the schools on his short list. And I remain confident that any recommendations or profiles supplied by his h.s. coach are positive. ...but how do I get him back up after what this recruiter said? The man is recognized as one of the best in the country, having been at it for more than twenty five years at the same school. Surely he understands issues of seniority such as my son's situation. Is it possible he was merely testing my son to see if he has the self assurance and confidence necessary to play this game?

We've always told our son to treat good games and bad games alike. Never think too much or too little of yourself. Never put too much stock in what others say about you. Set your goals, stay focused, and pursue your dreams, whatever they may be, with all that is in you. ...a process that will serve him well throughout life. ...a strategy he needs to be employing in this situation.

What should I be telling him here to help him through this challenge? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.



"If you want it bad enough, it's there for you."

Buck Oneil
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We had a similar situation last year. Our son was on the bench but we felt he should start. We didn't dwell on it and neither did he. According to his high school coach nobody worked harder than he did all year. When the summer came he entered an elite showcase (recommended by his coach) and played great.

We ended up getting lots of interest and he received a scholarship at his "dream" school. He is happy that he took the high road as it seams you are doing. When teams contacted the coach about him he had nothing but the highest praise for him. His lack of playing time made him a tougher and better person. It also made him appreciate how precious playing time is.

Now he understands that hard work and a positive attitude does pay off. As a parent I am extremely proud of him and tell him so every day. I hope you are able to find the same success that we did.
Congratulations to you and our son for handling a difficult spot with class and patience. A lessor person could easily disrupt the team "chemistry"

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However, is there anything we could, or should say to the coach here?


Your season is about half over. I don't know what could be said to the coach to make a difference. He's set his line-up. I would encourage your son to prepare for each game like a back-up quarterback, like he's going to play. His role is to be prepared to play and not miss a beat, should he be needed.

It's not an easy situation, but a character builder. In 2 months he'll play summer ball and hopefully get more reps and innings there.

If he's getting interest from programs he is interested be thankful and positive that dozens of kids would trade places with him right now.

The playing time issues usually work themselves out after high school and the best line-ups are written out every day.

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but how do I get him back up after what this recruiter said?


The next time he hears that he should relate that he's in the rare case with two top shelf catchers on his team.

He only can go to one college and not every coach will understand that two strong catchers can go to one school at a time, it's their loss not yours. He just goes to high school where the county tells him to go.

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What should I be telling him here to help him through this challenge?


....That patience and maturity beyond his years right now will prepare him for the opportunities that will present themselves this summer and fall and beyond. Hang in there.
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My take, for what it's worth.

Never put all of your marbles in one bag.

It's ok to set your goals high, but, have a plan of action if number one does not work out.

He needs to be on the road to the prospective schools (plural) to meet the coaches and take a look around - now.

Bottom line the prospective coaching staffs need to see him play - period.

Check into summer camps and showcases at the schools he is interested in, summer ball is ok but he needs to get to those prospective colleges to get in front of those coaches.

Coaches I would think may remember a one on one, face to face meeting much better vs a phone call, email, or letter.

CV
Here are my thoughts.
Unless your son is a ranked HS player, or plays for a ranked HS, never rely on the program to get ahead. No matter what the situation, that catcher is entitled to play as a senior, it is not the HS coaches job to see that your son gets playing time to be noticed. That is your responsibility and if he is going to play for a good summer team this summer, that will bring attention. What you need to do is get out the schedule asap, talk to the summer team coach.
If that recruiter is interested, he will make sure that he sees him or someone else does to report back to him. This summer will be the most important indicator of his worth and ability.
I am not sure of the school you are talking about, but do be aware that your son most probably would see very limited time as a catcher at a big program his first year or two unless he is spectacular. Sometimes you do have to explore other options and opportunities.
You can tell your son that as a junior, mine played the district games only, never had a win, seniors came first, though he was the best pitcher on the team. We never relied on HS for him to get noticed for college. He will be fine, tell him to have fun and enjoy and all will work out.
Check out PG's showcase schedule for Florida. Other things as well in the state. If your son is not playing regularly, go to other things going on, join a scout tema for the fall. Perhaps you might want to consider some college camps.
Good luck.
Sounds like you've gotten good advice, and I love your web name ( Smile), but a little story to help in the "never know who's watching category"; A scout told me last week that Stanford has a pure stud first baseman, Mr. Mayberry, but there's a backup that gets little playing time. Last year a scout saw him in BP mashing balls, and he was drafted in the 20th round, even though he does not even start for his college team. (and I understand a bench player for Stanford would start at an awful lot of schools) You just never know. Sounds like showcases and camps are the ticket. My impression is a lot of kids get seen in camps and showcases rather than they do when coaches actually come to their high school games-hard to do when the colleges are playing 4 days a week, and practicing on 2 other days.

It sounds like you've got a level head and good perspective on it (and I expect no less from a fellow Hokie), but as many posters on here know, one of the hardest things in the world to do is to watch your kid watch.
Whew!...It's difficult to make the correct call here. On one had you say everything is GREAT and your son's talent is getting proper recognition. On the other hand you say things are not good. If I were in your shoes I would ask myself if I am being TOATALLY honest with myself. If I can answer that question with a resounding YES then I have the situation in control! If I were in your situation I would ask as trusted baseball people that are unbiased and aware of the complete situation (my son's talent, his college aspirations and the current situation at his high school). Listen to what they suggest as to what course of action would be in the best interest of my son. At times we parents are guilty of not being able to see the forest for the trees. As an outsider looking in I feel as if there are a lot of obstacles your son will have to overcome to reach his goals. Are those goals within reach? It appears as if you and your son are optimistic therefore you KNOW they are in reach...but...at the same time you have to be realistic and admit there are obstacles and challenges ahead. To have successful results, you and your son will have to devise a plan to conquer them...OR....adjust your (his) goals. Bottom line is fit. Your son may make it to the baseball field of his “dream” school but will he “fit”??
Best of luck.
Fungo
I have seen instances where this happens, not because of the coach but because the senior at the position is that good.

We had a boy, he was a junior, come to us a few years back who was an excellent ball player but had an All State Player (senior) ahead of him--we spoke with the coach --got the answers that satisfied us and the boy came to the showcase--he did more than well at the event-- the next year HE was the starter on the teanm and HE made All State as a senior---he is now playing college ball

You have this summer , fall and the senior HS spring season to be seen---use it to your advantage and by all means stay out of it--if he has the talent it will work for him
I hope your son answered him with: "The Coach makes the decisions regarding starters, & I respect the fact that so&so is a senior. And, I also know I will compete for a starting position in your program."
I think the coach was "testing", if you will...looking for that "I'm a competitor" attitude.

Have you or he checked to see what the status is for catchers that are on the team now? Does this school have a "stockpile" of catchers that are waiting in the wings? A little research & a few questions would give you some insight as to this recruiters mentality/ motives.
Have your son send him his summer schedule as a follow up.

You've rec'd good advise from other posters...
Wishing you the best...I'm sure it will all work out fine.
FellowHokie:

There are lots of schools in CA in some in AZ that have this situation very often. The controlling factors are the talent level at the high school and the need at the particular position in question, as is the case with your son. In these cases, there are often many nearby schools where that player would step on the field and immediately become a star. This is the case every year with the high school my sons attend(ed).

Fear not. If your son is good, the opportunities will arise, although I do agree that you will have to "market" him a little more actively (maybe a lot more) on your own. And, it is true, as well, that the summer becomes more important. That said, I know more than a few big leaguers who were not able to crack the starting lineup at their high schools until their senior year. One, in particular, is Steve Scarsone.

All that said, I empathize totally with your current situation. The boy wants to play, as he should, and it is frustrating when he doesn't. But, at this point you have only two options as I see it:

1. Stay positive and supportive and enjoy whatever opportunity and success comes his way.

2. Suggest to your son that he have a respectful conversation with the coach seeking additional opportunities to take the field, even in small ways. At a minimum, it will encourage the coach to think about the situation and the ways your son can help the team.

The double edged sword of ultra successful high school programs can be very sharp, indeed.
FloridaHokie- It may be a little late for this as your season is probably half over but is there another position besides catcher that your son can play? Getting in the lineup sonewhere could be very helpful also. Are there nine better hitters on the team than your son? I'm willing to bet that as a top catcher he's a very good athlete and could play outfield or corner infield.
FloridaHokie, You state, "He's being actively recruited by several major-conference D-1 programs in the southeast." If true, and there's no reason to doubt you, then he is already on the "map" and other schools know about him as well. His GPA puts him way ahead of others with equal talent and lesser academic qualifications.

Your problem as I see it is not getting a baseball scholarship, but trying to keep your son from getting discouraged by playing behind a senior with equal or better talent. NO ONE wants to sit the bench. The question I have is, is your team THAT strong that a player of your son's talent couldn't move to another position for this year only? Strong arm, good bat, good attitude, good size-there are not too many teams(actually none) in the Orlando area that he would not start at with those attributes and I and have also seen top teams from all over the state this past week that he would be welcome on as well. Third base, first, right field???

Have him go to the coach and say, " Do you think I could help the team by playing another position for now? I know ----- is a senior and earned his spot, I just feel I could really help us this year."

I don't think the coach would be offended and actually may appreciate a kid coming forth and letting the coach know he will do anything the team needs. Nothing to lose. IMO

Good luck.
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FH, In terms of the questions and issues, I have two suggestions to consider:
In terms of what to say to college recruiters, why not have your son talk with the hight school coach and tell the coach exactly the question he was asked by that recruiting coordinator. Perhaps the high school coach can help either in how to respond or by showing a willingness to contact the college coach directly. I think this is important to do for a further reason and that reason is I doubt this will be the only recruiter to ask that question. Knowing it will be asked, make sure you know the answer going forward.
Secondly, make sure your son does not measure himself and his quality as a player by what happens in the college recruiting process, especially this early in the process. There will be lots of ups and downs, good and bad but it is not reflective of whether you can play. It only takes one coach to like you and he still has a long time to find the fit that is best for him and where he is wanted. Good luck
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We have a similar situation, however there is one major difference. The senior catcher skips school quite often. I guess you could call it senioritis. Most recent event, he told his teammates during practice that he was going fishing afterwards. Coach asked my son and him to stay after to catch bullpen. Senior catcher told him he had a job interview and couldn't stay. That same night, senior catcher started. This is the same kid that missed 3 of the 5 days of tryouts. Supposely sick, but teammates heard through the grapevine that he skipped to play poker. Coach gave him a special tryout day the next week. Guess what, he made the team!

I was at one of our games last night. When senior catcher walked up to the plate, I overhead several students sitting behind me state that they couldn't believe he is being allowed to play. They kinda laughed and said "well I guess he came to school today". As you can see, not much respect for this kid.

My son realizes that their is nothing he can do but continue to go to practice everyday and work hard. This has been a difficult situation since my son was given every indication from his coach that he would be the starting catcher back in off season. Fortunately, my son plays on a very competitive summer team which gives him some really good exposure.
At my son's school, we've got two incredibly good catchers. One's a jr.,one's a senior. Both have been on varsity since their freshmen years. The senior has been all-state, all-district-everything you can think of. He's got a full ride to a major D1 university next year. He's still our starting catcher this year. Our junior catcher has played 3rd for the last three years, waiting for his senior year knowing he'll finally get to start. He doesn't particularly like 3rd but he does it for the team-he's too good not to play somewhere. He's is the most mature, positive young man. I've never heard him complain nor has my son. His family has done what's been recommended here-summer teams, showcases, etc. and he's getting alot of attention from schools (even a call from Stanford.) My son went to a showcase camp at a school and coach asked about his school's two catchers. He was shocked "Mom, how did he know he's a catcher? He rarely plays catcher!" refering to the jr. They know!
I am sure BBScout can attest to this--- there have been many excellent players who never got to the bigs because they were "waiting there turn" not to mention the guys who sat a MLB bench because of the player in front of them

How long before the Yankees move Jeter to second base, A-Rod to short and bring up Duncan to play third ???---talk about a "waiting your turn" situation.
I'd hate to have been Lou Gehrig or Cal Ripken's replacement.

You have received some good suggestions and comments. I'm sure it is no consolation but at least it sounds as if he is behind a quality player. I'm sure a lot of people have seen instances where you have a quality sophomore for example, playing behind a senior who has been a loyal "teamer".

In Iowa they play summer high school baseball. A mediocre to bad coach can really hurt a player since it is likely they are their only coach during these formative years. At least in the other states you can choose your summer coach and team.
Thank you all for the good advice. It's likely that I am the one fighting discouragement more than my son. He's enjoying the year and seems to have a new perspective on the coach's comments. ...not the right school for him so he's moving on.

As for waiting his turn, he understands that in baseball, you don't mess with a streak. Team is currently 20-0. If it ain't broke...

I truly appreciate the insights to various aspects of the game that this site affords. Thanks to all who took the time to talk me down from the ledge. (...stopped me before I made the mistake of speaking to the coach.)

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