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A successful college coach told me they only recruit pitchers, catchers, shortstops and centerfielders. Their other positions are filled from converted SS and CF, reasoning that SS is the best infielder and center is the best outfielder.

Another thread today touches on this point. But I thought this coach's statement deserves its own discussion.

I had never heard this line of thought before. If many colleges recruit that way, then young players with college BB aspirations should learn about it early on.
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For starters, I disagree with the word only but think I know what the coach may have been getting at. Here is an article I posted from a couple of years ago and it was written by the recruting coordinator of the National Champion Oregon State Beavers. For what it's worth:
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http://www.collegebaseballinsider.com/

Recruiting athletes

By Dan Spencer

Oregon State Associate Head Coach

Dan Spencer is entering his 11th season as an assistant at Oregon State. The associate head coach and pitching coach of the Beavers, Spencer has been instrumental in helping the Beavers to back-to-back College World Series appearances and the 2006 National Championship. He joins CollegeBaseballInsider.com for the 2007 season.

Just yesterday, I was with Coach Casey at a homecoming event, standing with four players from last year’s Oregon State University National Championship team.

As Pat was talking, I was preparing myself to be asked to say something. In the attempt to come up with something clever, I got to thinking about the four guys who were standing with us, and I thought about the first time I had seen each of them play.

Cole Gillespie, 2006 Pac-10 player of the year and our starting left-fielder, had been a shortstop/pitcher at West Linn High School in Oregon. Tyler Graham, our starting center fielder, was a shortstop at Great Falls High School in Montana. Shea McFeely, our starting third baseman, was a shortstop/pitcher at Federal Way High School in Washington. Ryan Gipson, who started at second base for us in 2005 and played right-field for us in Omaha in 2006, was a shortstop at Shasta Community College prior to coming to Oregon State University. To take it a step further, our starting catcher, Mitch Canham, was a right-fielder/first baseman/third baseman in high school and had not caught in a game until he caught his first in college.

The point is that baseball is a game played from the inside out. A team is only as good as the guys who are playing in the middle of the field: pitchers, catchers, shortstop and center field.

If this premise is true, then high school teams should play their best athletes in the middle of the field, and the bulk of your scholarship money should be spent up the middle.

The shortstop is in the middle of everything: He should know what the responsibilities of the other infielders are and also display leadership qualities inherent to the position. If this player moves to another position, they take those same leadership qualities and a better understanding of the overall game than would a player who has played left field his whole life.

Because college baseball is limited to 11.7 scholarships, it behooves clubs to recruit and develop guys who can play more than one position. I have found that most players are more than willing to change positions if it means there is a chance to play or to get out from behind an All-American. If a player is unwilling to move, he is probably not the kid you were looking for in the first place - putting his personal agenda ahead of the good of the club.

Baseball is a skill sport. Great athletes are not necessarily great baseball players. The key is finding the athlete who can either already hit or shows you enough aptitude that you think he can be developed offensively. The problem is that everyone in college and professional baseball is looking for the same player. The reality is that the average college hitter who can run and play multiple positions is more valuable than the average college hitter who can’t run and plays one position. One more obvious advantage is the more good athletes you can play on defense, the more balls they will get to. Consequently, your pitchers will do a better job of pitching to contact and in theory be more efficient.

A program’s overall philosophy is a combination of its recruiting, practice and game-day plan. If you wish to play fast, then you must recruit fast players. If you are hoping to have power throughout your lineup, then you must recruit power, maybe at the expense of another tool. Whatever your choice of play, the key is to have a plan and to recruit and practice towards it.

There is no blueprint for winning, and there is no one plan that is better than another, but there must be one consistent philosophy that every team member understands and is working toward.
Speaking of first:

That position in HS is often held by the biggest heaviest pure slugger on the team. We had such a kid last year whose 60 time, like his HR total, was in double digits.

Another hefty 1B was infallible defensively within his range, which was as far as he could reach without taking two steps. Both were key players with great stats. But as far as I know colleges never approached them.

I notice that college 1b's (at any college level) never seem to be of that heavy pure-slugger body type. Tall yes, slow sometimes, fat never.
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I think it would be good if Dan Spencer's article could be posted or linked with the other articles and editorials on the home page of this website.

It is indeed true that the primary focus of recruiting and the bigger scholarships usually go to the "up the middle guys" first.

The "up the middle" guys are frequently the best players on the high school team and the college team, too.

After the "up the middle" guys are chosen, then the "corners" are picked, or the bigger, somewhat slower, but power hitters.

Then, younger, well hitting short stops and second basebasemen, might be given an opporuntity to make the team in LF or RF, IF they can outhit their competition.

The 11.7 limitation has a tremendous impact on this process.

But, players are still drafted at different positions in the MLB, too.

A catcher might become a pitcher, 1b, or 3b. A big guy with enough speed that plays 1st or 3rd and can hit, might play RF or LF.

A fascinating process to observe................
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Originally posted by micdsguy:
A successful college coach told me they only recruit pitchers, catchers, shortstops and centerfielders. Their other positions are filled from converted SS and CF, reasoning that SS is the best infielder and center is the best outfielder.


This statement makes no sense without qualifying the level of the player's team.

Consider the Aflac Game rosters, or USA Baseball junior/youth teams. Consider the rosters of high end travel/summer teams. The rosters of, for example, the teams playing each fall in Jupiter. The coach who would deny consideration to players not at the fab four positions on any of those teams is likely not successful.

But perhaps the coach meant high school teams, and maybe not the conference champion. In that case the idea is at least plausible, but there are lots of counter examples. Take Brett Wallace, who plays third base for Arizona State, and was the Pac 10's 2007 Triple Crown winner and Player of the Year. He played third in high school. The kid who did play SS for that high school team is having a pretty good college career of his own, but nobody would have rated him as superior to Brett Wallace. And the scenario isn't rare: without going into specifics, ASU signed another HS third baseman this year to an NLI.

Perhaps the coach meant something along the lines of "If I've never heard of the player, I'm not going bother looking into his ability if he isn't a C, P, SS, or CF."
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The reason there are so many high school shortstops, centerfielders recruited is because normally those are the most skilled and most athletic players on a high school team. The reason for recruiting catchers and especially pitchers is obvious.

However, I’m not sure there is a college that won’t recruit a good player who plays 3B, 1B, or corner outfielder. Casey Kotchman, Prince Fielder, Adrian Gonzalez, are examples of high school first basemen drafted in the first round. Some of the very best college players this year (ie. Pedro Alverez 3B , Brett Wallace 3B, Justin Smoak 1B played the corner infield spots in high school and in college.

So while it’s true that shortstops, center fielders, catchers and pitchers are the most recruited positions, I’m pretty sure that every college would recruit the guys listed above and many other top players at other positions.

Here are some examples of early commitments from the 08 class
1B Eric Hosmer Cooper City FL Arizona State
1B Kyle Long Ivy VA Florida State
1B Clark Murphy Fallbrook CA UCLA
1B Dalton Hicks Altamonte Springs Fl Central Florida
1B Chase Davidson Alpharetta GA Georgia
1B Austin Stadler Midlothian VA Wake Forest
1B Nick Ramirez Anaheim CA Cal State Fullerton
1B Jamie Bruno Covington LA Tulane
1B Michael Roth Greer SC South Carolina
1B Michael Martinez Miami FL Florida International
1B Ryan Rieger Roseville CA Santa Clara
1B Bobby Stone Montgomery TX Sam Houston State
1B Brad Hook Franklin IN South Alabama
1B Jomel Torres Chula Vista CA San Diego State
1B Harold Riggins Bloomington IL North Carolina State
1B Tyler Massey Chattanooga TN Virginia
1B Nico Taylor McKinney TX Arizona
1B Beau Brett Spokane WA Southern Cal
1B James Mallard Tampa FL Central Florida
1B Matthew Snyder Centreville VA Mississippi
1B Jordan Leyland San Dimas CA Cal-Irvine
1B Brandon Garcia Las Vegas NV Southern Cal
1B Matt Baca Round Rock TX Alabama
1B Cameron Seitzer Overland Park KS Oklahoma
1B Kyle Roliard Spring TX Louisiana Tech
1B Matt Skole Woodstock GA Georgia Tech
1B Kevin Komstadius Yakima WA Washington
1B Jordan Steranka Pittsburgh PA Penn State
1B Zack Helgeson Roanoke VA Maryland
1B Dexter Price Colorado Springs CO Auburn
1B Jake Colavito Schenectady NY Stetson
1B Ryan Mallory Midlothian VA Richmond
1B Chris Serritella Glenview IL Southern Illinois
1B Stuart Smith Ventura CA Cal State Bakersfield
1B Tadd Bower Chesterfield VA William & Mary
3B Ethan Martin Toccoa GA Clemson
3B Ricky Oropesa Rancho Cucamonga CA Southern Cal
3B Jason Esposito Bethany CT Vanderbilt
3B Joseph Loftus Savage MN Vanderbilt
3B Abraham Ruiz Pacific Grove CA Arizona State
3B Zach Wilson Long Beach CA Arizona State
3B Maverick Lasker Glendale AZ San Diego State
3B Vickash Ramjit Miami FL Miami
3B Kaleb Merck Keller TX TCU
3B Kyle Beverley Midvale UT Oregon State
3B Shane Kroker Westlake Village CA Wake Forest
3B Royce Bolinger Scottsdale AZ Gonzaga
3B Andrew Carpenter Dayton OH Michigan State
3B Austin Barnes Riverside CA Arizona State
3B Kevin Lusson Austin TX Texas
3B Levi Hyams Stafford VA Georgia
3B Taylor Kaprive Wellington FL Wake Forest
3B Alex Maruri Bronx NY Elon
3B Boomer Collins Waxahachie TX Nebraska
3B Travis Shaw Washington OH Kent St.
3B Michael Snyder Centreville VA Mississippi
3B Tyler Bream Zelienople PA Liberty
3B Charley Boring Marietta GA Samford
3B Andrew Dilling Roseville CA **** Roberts
3B Randy McCurry Tupelo OK Oklahoma State
3B Shawn Cooper Tucson AZ Arizona
3B Benjamin Turner Saint Charles MO Missouri
3B Chris McDougal Poquoson VA Liberty
3B Bo Reeder Cookeville TN East Tennesee State
3B Josh Rosecrans Edmond OK Wichita State
3B Ryan Palermo Redwood City CA UC Santa Barbara
3B Ryan Behmanesh Mansfield TX Dallas Baptist
3B Dan Breazeale Alexandria LA Louisiana Tech
3B Rob Moir Seymour CT Boston College
3B Andre Vazquez Miami Lakes FL Flordia International
3B Andrew Biancardi Aptos CA Santa Clara
3B Chris Amezquita La Mirada CA UCLA
3B Corey Thomas Tampa FL South Florida
3B Anthony Hewitt Brooklyn NY Vanderbilt

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