who thinks who will win?i think grassfield.
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I am assuming Cox V Thompson in what should be a great game.
IMO Cox has been the best pitcher in the district all year but WB has a more balanced and deeper team. If I had to bet a sawbuck I take the best pitcher so GF by a whisker.
IMO Cox has been the best pitcher in the district all year but WB has a more balanced and deeper team. If I had to bet a sawbuck I take the best pitcher so GF by a whisker.
luv baseball,
I presume you have read the paper or, at least, the sports section as most of us have. Good call on predicting a good game. Missed on the winning team and best pitcher. Any takers on the sawbuck?
I presume you have read the paper or, at least, the sports section as most of us have. Good call on predicting a good game. Missed on the winning team and best pitcher. Any takers on the sawbuck?
True enough. There has been no doubt Thompson is a fine pitcher and he got the better of it yesterday. I also thought WB had the better team and that seems like the thing that turned the game.
Whoever finishes 2nd between WB & GB will be playing GF in a 2/3 game in the district tournament. No fun.
Whoever finishes 2nd between WB & GB will be playing GF in a 2/3 game in the district tournament. No fun.
luv baseball,
An understatement on both points!
An understatement on both points!
Just FYI...
Indian River can still take 3rd place from Grassfield. GF is 11-4 and IR is 10-5 with 3 games left.
IR has KF, WB, and OS left while Grassfield has NR, OS, DC.
If Grassfield loses one and IR wins out (or if GF loses 2 and IR loses only 1 or none), the end up tied for 3rd, forcing a pre-playoff positioning game.
Indian River can still take 3rd place from Grassfield. GF is 11-4 and IR is 10-5 with 3 games left.
IR has KF, WB, and OS left while Grassfield has NR, OS, DC.
If Grassfield loses one and IR wins out (or if GF loses 2 and IR loses only 1 or none), the end up tied for 3rd, forcing a pre-playoff positioning game.
Would there be a pre tournament playoff to determine 3rd and 4th or just a pre tournament playoff to determine (1) first, if there is a tie, so that the automatic bid is known and a playoff to determine 4th if there is a tie for 4th, to determine who is in the tournament?
I would assume that there would have to be a pre tournament playoff since the difference between the 3 seed and 4 seed is so huge ( 3 seed could possibly advance with one win)
Clarification...
The tie-breaker between 3rd & 4th in the SED is first determined by comparing the two teams' record versus the first place team. If they are tied, then it compares their record versus the second place teams.
Where it gets interesting is ...
IR is 0-2 versus GB & GF is 2-0, so GF would win that tie-breaker...
but IR is already 1-0 versus WB & GF is 0-2, so IR would win that tie-breaker...
So if IR & GF tie... it will depend on who finishes 1st, GB or WB...
HOWEVER... IR plays WB Monday. IF WB wins, then IR doesn't have much chance at tying for third. If IR wins, then WB probably won't finish 1st. Both scenarios hurt IR.
So all-in-all... it will PROBABLY be:
1. GB
2. WB
3. GF
4. IR
... leading to a C. Cox / N. Thompson rematch in the semis
The tie-breaker between 3rd & 4th in the SED is first determined by comparing the two teams' record versus the first place team. If they are tied, then it compares their record versus the second place teams.
Where it gets interesting is ...
IR is 0-2 versus GB & GF is 2-0, so GF would win that tie-breaker...
but IR is already 1-0 versus WB & GF is 0-2, so IR would win that tie-breaker...
So if IR & GF tie... it will depend on who finishes 1st, GB or WB...
HOWEVER... IR plays WB Monday. IF WB wins, then IR doesn't have much chance at tying for third. If IR wins, then WB probably won't finish 1st. Both scenarios hurt IR.
So all-in-all... it will PROBABLY be:
1. GB
2. WB
3. GF
4. IR
... leading to a C. Cox / N. Thompson rematch in the semis
Smith BB, So you think that WB probably won't win out? 
Ha.. I got ya.
Not so much thinking about WB not winning out, as much as was thinking Great Bridge would with the schedule I thought they had left (Lakeland & KF I knew of).
I JUST realized WB plays GB on Wednesday to wrap up the season... I thought GB had L, KF & DC left.
That very well could be one SED Championship game right there... prior to the tourney. There are such quality teams in our district with great, experienced coaches... Everyone is in for some GREAT baseball in the next 14-16 days.
Grassfield v. Nansemond River Friday (1-0 last time)...
Western Branch v. Indian River Monday...
Western Branch v. Great Bridge Wednesday...
each game will matter and that's all PRIOR to the tourney.
Not so much thinking about WB not winning out, as much as was thinking Great Bridge would with the schedule I thought they had left (Lakeland & KF I knew of).
I JUST realized WB plays GB on Wednesday to wrap up the season... I thought GB had L, KF & DC left.
That very well could be one SED Championship game right there... prior to the tourney. There are such quality teams in our district with great, experienced coaches... Everyone is in for some GREAT baseball in the next 14-16 days.
Grassfield v. Nansemond River Friday (1-0 last time)...
Western Branch v. Indian River Monday...
Western Branch v. Great Bridge Wednesday...
each game will matter and that's all PRIOR to the tourney.
Gotta be tough to be WB right now...
In order for that WB/GB to be the 'championship' game, they have to beat IR on monday, leaving Thompson unavailable for the 'championship'
However, Thompson did throw 8 on tuesday, so he might not ready to throw on monday against IR. If their number 2 cant get the job done, the WB/GB game wont be as big, and thompson might be saved again.
But then again, it might be a blessing that Thompson doesnt throw against IR considering he got hit pretty hard last time they met?
Ah, I love this time of year
In order for that WB/GB to be the 'championship' game, they have to beat IR on monday, leaving Thompson unavailable for the 'championship'
However, Thompson did throw 8 on tuesday, so he might not ready to throw on monday against IR. If their number 2 cant get the job done, the WB/GB game wont be as big, and thompson might be saved again.
But then again, it might be a blessing that Thompson doesnt throw against IR considering he got hit pretty hard last time they met?
Ah, I love this time of year
Don't sleep on OS. Friday could be a trap game for WB coming off the big win against GF with IR next Tuesday. That's what KF did to GF after they beat GB 2-0 when their ace threw a monster game. Hey isn't that what the score was last night and the ace threw a monster game.....hmmmm.
quote:Originally posted by luv baseball:
Don't sleep on OS.
I don't think that WB will sleep on Oscar Smith. Players are aware that OS has a 3-game win streak, that OS played WB to a 4-0 game through 6 innings at the first meeting and that OS played GB very tightly for most of the game.
No doubt Coach Wright is on the ball but 17 year old kids are more likely to look ahead. With IR and GB next week and after a big win against GF it would not be shocking if the players had a bit of a let down. I do expect WB to win this one but would be surprised a little by a 10 run ball game.
Despite some close calls Only WB and GB have avoided dropping a game outside of the playoff teams and that is the primary reason they are sitting on top.
Despite some close calls Only WB and GB have avoided dropping a game outside of the playoff teams and that is the primary reason they are sitting on top.
Luvbaseball, I think a number of the players are aware of OS's continued improvement. WB doesn't need a 10-run ballgame. All it needs is to score 1 more run than OS scores.
Coach Wright and WBranch will roll. They will not lose here. Coach Wright will not let that happen. No let down here vs OS.
WB, 17 year olds are aware of many things but oddly are still are knuckleheads! Baseball players lead the parade.
Blue, If coach can prevent losses can my Mets hire him for 100 games or so after he wins State?
Just messing around!
Blue, If coach can prevent losses can my Mets hire him for 100 games or so after he wins State?
Just messing around!
quote:Originally posted by Smith Baseball:
Clarification...
The tie-breaker between 3rd & 4th in the SED is first determined by comparing the two teams' record versus the first place team. If they are tied, then it compares their record versus the second place teams.
Where it gets interesting is ...
IR is 0-2 versus GB & GF is 1-1, so GF would win that tie-breaker...
but IR is already 1-0 versus WB & GF is 0-2, so IR would win that tie-breaker...
So if IR & GF tie... it will depend on who finishes 1st, GB or WB...
HOWEVER... IR plays WB Monday. IF WB wins, then IR doesn't have much chance at tying for third. If IR wins, then WB probably won't finish 1st. Both scenarios hurt IR.
So all-in-all... it will PROBABLY be:
1. GB
2. WB
3. GF
4. IR
... leading to a C. Cox / N. Thompson rematch in the semis
Smith BB, small correction. GF is 2-0 vs GB
It's still a little early but if 3rd and 4th are settled that leaves 1 & 2.
Obviously if both WB & GB win out then Wednesday is winner take all. IMO this is the best outcome.
The next likliest scenario is GB wins out and IR upends WB. That means WB would be playing to tie for 1st. If they win then GB & WB finish 15-3 and would have split the season series.
So the question is do they playoff or does it roll to the record against the 3rd place team. In that scenario with GF in 3rd the tiebreaker against GF goes to WB who is 2-0 while GB is 0-2. It flips if IR gets to 3rd.
Obviously if both WB & GB win out then Wednesday is winner take all. IMO this is the best outcome.
The next likliest scenario is GB wins out and IR upends WB. That means WB would be playing to tie for 1st. If they win then GB & WB finish 15-3 and would have split the season series.
So the question is do they playoff or does it roll to the record against the 3rd place team. In that scenario with GF in 3rd the tiebreaker against GF goes to WB who is 2-0 while GB is 0-2. It flips if IR gets to 3rd.
quote:Originally posted by luv baseball:
The next likliest scenario is GB wins out and IR upends WB. That means WB would be playing to tie for 1st. If they win then GB & WB finish 15-3 and would have split the season series. So the question is do they playoff or does it roll to the record against the 3rd place team.
In prior years in the SED, when there was a tie for first place at the end of the regular season, the tied teams had a one-game playoff just before the tournament. That left the losing team disadvantaged in potentially having to use three games of pitching in a very few days.
Luvbaseball, I think it is still possible for GB and WB to be tied for 1st at the end of regular season and IR and GF to be tied for third.
A tie for 1st probably depends on WB losing to IR and beating GB. Since WB likely has thier #2 against IR and Ali it is reasonable to expect IR has a pretty good shot there. If that happens then if Thompson stops GB we get a tie providing KF, LL or OS don't toss in an upset.
If IR wins out and GF drops another they tie for 3rd. Since they split during the year according to Smith BB the 3rd place slot is determined by record against 1st. So in that scenario IR would get 3rd if WB wins the district but GF does if GB wins.
If IR wins out and GF drops another they tie for 3rd. Since they split during the year according to Smith BB the 3rd place slot is determined by record against 1st. So in that scenario IR would get 3rd if WB wins the district but GF does if GB wins.
just saw in the paper that Ali threw for IR yesterday against KF.. anyone know how much he threw/ if that means he wont throw against WB?
bballday, you seem to suggest above that if WB loses to IR on Monday, the game against GB on Wednesday won't be as big for WB. I think the game will be just as big, if not bigger. At that point (assuming that GB wins on Monday), if WB were to beat GB on Wednesday, the two teams would be back in a tied situation and they would have a 1-game playoff to decide the winner of the regular season.
quote:Originally posted by bballday:
just saw in the paper that Ali threw for IR yesterday against KF.. anyone know how much he threw/ if that means he wont throw against WB?
From memory of one in attendance, Ali threw 3 innings, not over 60 pitches, something around 54, Heath threw 1 inning and Dickason threw 1 inning. Remember, the game was on Thursday. Ali would have more than 1 hour of rest for each pitch thrown before Monday night's game.
Oh no, i agree that the WB/GB is by far the biggest game of the week. Im just interested to see the routes both WB and IR go with pitching... should WB save Thompson for GB? and, since IRs fate is all but sealed for the 4th slot, should IR even risk throwing Ali against WB in case WB wins the title and ALi have to throw twice against them?
What WB does could depend on what IR does. If IR holds Ali Monday if for no other reason than if WB wins the district they might see him twice in the same week that might make it easier for WB go somewhere else.
But from WB perspective I think they hold Thompson for Wednesday anyway. They gave up 7 to GB last time when they couldn't use him. Unless they are willing to bet on a KF upset they must win Wednesday or the district is gone. With GB having blown out DC and LL last week I would not expect GB to fall Monday.
I really hope both win Monday so it's settled on Wednesday and everyone's pitching is set for the district. If there is a playoff that will give GF & IR an edge in the districts first game.
But from WB perspective I think they hold Thompson for Wednesday anyway. They gave up 7 to GB last time when they couldn't use him. Unless they are willing to bet on a KF upset they must win Wednesday or the district is gone. With GB having blown out DC and LL last week I would not expect GB to fall Monday.
I really hope both win Monday so it's settled on Wednesday and everyone's pitching is set for the district. If there is a playoff that will give GF & IR an edge in the districts first game.