what????

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Originally posted by baseball17:
Summer college wood bat game this afternoon. I didn't see all of it happen, because I was taking pictures.

R1, takes off for second on pitch, curve ball in dirt, no throw. R thinks it was foul ball and trots back to 1b. Defense is dumbfounded, pitcher never sees him until he is back on first. F4 later said he didn't say anything because he wanted to put the double play back in order. BU looked like he was "telling" defense to tag R. Eventually play just resumed as if nothing had happened, with R1.

I had never seen this one. What is correct rule and procedure, and what should have happened.

There is nothing to call. R1 successfully stole 1st (from 2nd). What was the 1st base coach doing? Just curious.

This is nothing. 7.08i (Any runner is out when after he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out) does not apply here because the runner was not trying to confuse the defense.

BU should not be telling either team anything.

Hate to admit it, but my son did this once in a 13 or 14 year old tournament. Stole second, thought there was a foul ball and stole 1st from second. Had a hard time living that down for a while.

I saw a similar play but with an even better twist. R1 takes off to steal second. Batter swings and foul tips the ball, but catcher holds on and throws to second base. R1 is about to be thrown out by 10-15 ft except he stops and walks back to 1B. Nobody knows what to do. I know it's a live ball, but don't want to announce that because the defense will surely tag him out. In what seemed like an eternity, the runner made his way back to 1B safely and everybody was a little dazed by the confusion, but ready to play ball. (Note: the runner had no idea of the proper call...he truly thought it was a foul ball).

Amazingly, the coach stole him again on the next pitch and, yep, you guessed it....catcher threw him out by 15 ft!!!! Go figure. I have often joked with my son that "R1" was the only guy I ever saw who got thrown out twice at second base in the same at bat!!

For an even better twist, you have to go back to Lloyd Moseby of the Toronto Blue Jays. He successfully stole 2nd base. But when the catcher's throw sailed into center field, Moseby thought the ball had been popped up. Thinking he was going to get doubled up, he got up and ran back to first base. The centerfielder overthrew first base and Moseby ended up back and 2nd base.

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Originally posted by Yakyu:
For an even better twist, you have to go back to Lloyd Moseby of the Toronto Blue Jays. He successfully stole 2nd base. But when the catcher's throw sailed into center field, Moseby thought the ball had been popped up. Thinking he was going to get doubled up, he got up and ran back to first base. The centerfielder overthrew first base and Moseby ended up back and 2nd base.

This reminds me of a "trick" play my son's HS team employed twice this year. R1 is stealing second. Catcher has a great arm but in these 2 instances didn't have a shot at catching him. He throws the ball to ss, near 2nd, but high in the air -- like a 30 foot pop up. SS calls it "I got it, I got it". R1 thinks it is a popup, tries to get back to first and was thrown out both times. I see no downside...until the teams catch on.

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Originally posted by brookspw:

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Originally posted by Yakyu:
For an even better twist, you have to go back to Lloyd Moseby of the Toronto Blue Jays. He successfully stole 2nd base. But when the catcher's throw sailed into center field, Moseby thought the ball had been popped up. Thinking he was going to get doubled up, he got up and ran back to first base. The centerfielder overthrew first base and Moseby ended up back and 2nd base.

This reminds me of a "trick" play my son's HS team employed twice this year. R1 is stealing second. Catcher has a great arm but in these 2 instances didn't have a shot at catching him. He throws the ball to ss, near 2nd, but high in the air -- like a 30 foot pop up. SS calls it "I got it, I got it". R1 thinks it is a popup, tries to get back to first and was thrown out both times. I see no downside...until the teams catch on.

Couldn't some see this as possible Verbal interference?

Some could consider it verbal obstruction. Here's a similar casebook ruling.
2.22.1 SITUATION A: R1 attempts to steal second. F2, upon receiving the pitch, throws a pop-up to F6. F5 yells “get back, get back.” R1 thinks B2 has hit a popup and starts back to first where he is tagged out. RULING: This is verbal obstruction and R1 shall be awarded second base.

The difference here is that F5 has no legitimate reason to yell "Get back", since he is on defense. F6 has plausible justification for yelling "I got it." My own opinion is that "I got it" isn't verbal obstruction, but I'm sure some umpires would view it differently.

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Originally posted by brookspw:

This reminds me of a "trick" play my son's HS team employed twice this year. R1 is stealing second. Catcher has a great arm but in these 2 instances didn't have a shot at catching him. He throws the ball to ss, near 2nd, but high in the air -- like a 30 foot pop up. SS calls it "I got it, I got it". R1 thinks it is a popup, tries to get back to first and was thrown out both times. I see no downside...until the teams catch on.[/QUOTE]

under NFHS rule 2-22 art 1- this is illegal..........big down side when an umpire catches on.....