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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by headinghome:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by GFBBSB:
I'll take a guess: they either played for the Tidewater Bombers or took hitting lessons at Grand Slam 2.


Thank God they weren't girls then.


Or Thank God because he gave them all amazing gifts on the field including great work ethic and good coaches.


If you notice some are girls. Get over it...

He has and teaches a great work ethic.... and that is my point. The Man is a great coach.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
If you notice some are girls. Get over it...


Get over it? You are joking, right?!? The guy was TWICE (not once, but TWICE) accused of inappropriately touching teenage girls. Once MAY be a misunderstanding but twice is a pattern.


We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.
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redbird5redbird510,000+ posts
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Originally posted by mathews41:
We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


You all?!? hahahaha

I never claimed to be a saint and don't want to be. I read the emails between him and the 15 year old girl he gave lessons to (the first accuser). I know what the intentions were. She was a minor. He should not be allowed around kids. Period.
D dblemup100+ posts
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Originally posted by mathews41:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
If you notice some are girls. Get over it...


Get over it? You are joking, right?!? The guy was TWICE (not once, but TWICE) accused of inappropriately touching teenage girls. Once MAY be a misunderstanding but twice is a pattern.


We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


Whoa, whoa...mistake? That is abit more than a "mistake". I wasn't going to comment, come on guy...there isn't justification for the act/s or you classifying it as a "mistake".
mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by redbird5:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mathews41:
We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


You all?!? hahahaha

Really???? You read the emails... He should not be let arround kids?


Let me tell you something... He is a great coach with a history. So what!!!! President Clinton smoked pot and you probaly voted for him. The fact is people make mistakes and you should recognize that. You should also recognize that others ( the parents of the kids listed) have as Christians forgiven him.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by dblemup:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
If you notice some are girls. Get over it...


Get over it? You are joking, right?!? The guy was TWICE (not once, but TWICE) accused of inappropriately touching teenage girls. Once MAY be a misunderstanding but twice is a pattern.


We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


Whoa, whoa...mistake? That is abit more than a "mistake". I wasn't going to comment, come on guy...there isn't justification for the act/s or you classifying it as a "mistake".


That is what I am classifying it as. What is your point? Are you ready to make clear that you are perfect?
mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by LoudounBases:
Mathews41

If there is one no "redo" in life, it may be the wrong doing of children. A second chance might be that this person is not in jail, but to go right back into the chicken coop...sorry. I think I side strongly with Redbird here.


I respect your opinion. But Coach Hoeft was accused and not found guilty of the second offense.

I am still waiting to see if John Travolta is found guilty of all his publicized transgressions.
L LoudounBases100+ posts
I dont know Mr Hoeft, so I am going from what I gain from this thread and what quick research I could on the topic/name mentioned.

Most on this site are baseball people and who rely on outside trainers to help increase their children's/player's on-field talents. Sometimes this starts at an early age...and also some parents leave their kids in the (supposed) care of these trainers/professionals. When something is close to the edge...judgement is required.

Your last post starts to really, seriously get off the rails...really, Travolta? Last time I checked, Vinny Barbarino is not training children after being accused of misdoing...
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
I want you alll to know... Within a few short minutes I made my point. I knew that some of you would bring up the coaches past. I knew that some of you would say that two times is wrong even though he was only found guilty once.

The fact is we all make mistakes. We all have issues with our past.

The fact is Bobby Hoeft recognizes that he made a mistake. The fact is Bobby Hoeft realizes that he has to earn your trust. The fact is that many parents have forgiven (names listed above) Bobby and you should too.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by LoudounBases:
I dont know Mr Hoeft, so I am going from what I gain from this thread and what quick research I could on the topic/name mentioned.

Most on this site are baseball people and who rely on outside trainers to help increase their children's/player's on-field talents. Sometimes this starts at an early age...and also some parents leave their kids in the (supposed) care of these trainers/professionals. When something is close to the edge...judgement is required.

Your last post starts to really, seriously get off the rails...really, Travolta? Last time I checked, Vinny Barbarino is not training children after being accused of misdoing...


Again thanks for validating my position. Research? Last time you checked?

"I dont know Mr Hoeft, so I am going from what I gain from this thread and what quick research I could on the topic/name mentioned."

that is my point exactly. He is a great coach who acknowledges that he made a mistake. I got over it. Every one else should too.
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Q QuadAAAA100+ posts
Mathews41,
You have the right to go on this board and support someone you believe to be a good coach.

Just recognize that there are many, many others in South Hampton Roads who have years of history to the contrary. To say that multiple criminal acts upon minors are a "mistake" and that families should just forgive is asking way more than most families would be willing to do. To insinuate that that because other have not yet forgiven him is wrong...well that's just not something I thought I'd read on this board. What he did was not only wrong but criminal.

By law he is not allowed to coach for a school and he is not allowed to coach for the city recreation leagues. There is a reason for this. While I don't always agree with the policies of school systems or public government, I do agree with these decisions. It is beyond my understanding why a parent would take their child (especially a girl) to him for coaching when these institutions won't let him coach.

You put this posting up here; you opened this door to share your side of the story so be prepared for others to share their side story.

There is another post on this website from May 2006 where others noted that "for the past 10 years he has plucked the nerves of many people on and off of the field". Clearly this is an on-going sore spot for many in the baseball community of South Hampton Roads for more than 15 years and you decided to bring this to the surface again. You may have had a good coaching experience, but so many others feel too strongly based upon a conviction and a second accusation. Please be cautious of the impact this topic has to our community.

Let's get back to promoting all district kids and talking about the upcoming tournaments vs. spend another minute on this convicted "coach".
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by QuadAAAA:
Matthews41,
You have the right to go on this board and support someone you believe to be a good coach.

Just recognize that there are many, many others in South Hampton Roads who have years of history to the contrary. To say that multiple criminal acts upon minors are a "mistake" and that families should just forgive is asking way more than most families would be willing to do. To insinuate that that because other have not yet forgiven him is wrong...well that's just not something I thought I'd read on this board. What he did was not only wrong but criminal.

By law he is not allowed to coach for a school and he is not allowed to coach for the city recreation leagues. There is a reason for this. While I don't always agree with the policies of school systems or public government, I do agree with these decisions. It is beyond my understanding why a parent would take their child (especially a girl) to him for coaching when these institutions won't let him coach.

You put this posting up here; you opened this door to share your side of the story so be prepared for others to share their side story.

There is another post on this website from May 2006 where others noted that "for the past 10 years he has plucked the nerves of many people on and off of the field". Clearly this is an on-going sore spot for many in the baseball community of South Hampton Roads for more than 15 years and you decided to bring this to the surface again. You may have had a good coaching experience, but so many others feel too strongly based upon a conviction and a second accusation. Please be cautious of the impact this topic has to our community.

Let's get back to promoting all district kids and talking about the upcoming tournaments vs. spend another minute on this convicted "coach".


I am going to stay up all night with this one. Because the problem is with the comment "multiple."

Give me multiple examples and I might change my tone. Problem is you can not. The coach made a mistake and he acknowledges it.

My point is we all make mistakes. My point is that many parents have recognized that Coach Bobby is actually a great person (look at the list above). My point is that everyone on this website should not be quick to judge based upon "research." My point is meet the man... learn the man... and then make your oppinion.

He is a great coach that teaches a great work ethic and self pride and my kids love him and by the way know of his past history..
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by QuadAAAA:
Mathews41,
You have the right to go on this board and support someone you believe to be a good coach.

Just recognize that there are many, many others in South Hampton Roads who have years of history to the contrary. To say that multiple criminal acts upon minors are a "mistake" and that families should just forgive is asking way more than most families would be willing to do. To insinuate that that because other have not yet forgiven him is wrong...well that's just not something I thought I'd read on this board. What he did was not only wrong but criminal.

By law he is not allowed to coach for a school and he is not allowed to coach for the city recreation leagues. There is a reason for this. While I don't always agree with the policies of school systems or public government, I do agree with these decisions. It is beyond my understanding why a parent would take their child (especially a girl) to him for coaching when these institutions won't let him coach.

You put this posting up here; you opened this door to share your side of the story so be prepared for others to share their side story.

There is another post on this website from May 2006 where others noted that "for the past 10 years he has plucked the nerves of many people on and off of the field". Clearly this is an on-going sore spot for many in the baseball community of South Hampton Roads for more than 15 years and you decided to bring this to the surface again. You may have had a good coaching experience, but so many others feel too strongly based upon a conviction and a second accusation. Please be cautious of the impact this topic has to our community.

Let's get back to promoting all district kids and talking about the upcoming tournaments vs. spend another minute on this convicted "coach".


And you are right... that is exactly why I opened the door. Lets all get over it. Let the Coach...coach. He is awful good at it. You want your kid to make this list of good hitters? Be a forgiving person. Realize as Coach Hoeft does that he made a mistake.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
Coach

Very shallow comment. Not Cool


Shallow? How so? It is very accurate. He subjected himself to these comments when he made the decisions he did.

As the father of a daughter, my stomach turns to think he is still allowed around children.



Really... I am sorry you feel this way. How old is your daughter? Wait doesn't matter. Probably not as old as the daughter in question though. Which does make a difference before you post and ask that question.

The fact is coach Hoeft fully acknowledges that he made a mistake. He is sorry and and has helped a lot of kids to become better players.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by QuadAAAA:
Mathews41,
Let's get back to promoting all district kids and talking about the upcoming tournaments vs. spend another minute on this convicted "coach".


you are right...Coach Hoeft's prospects (the convicted coach who recognizes that he made a mistake). Not sure about the softball players. Maybe someone can fill those in.

Jarred Mitchell (all conference 2d team)
Christian Lowery (? but mentioned)
Max Burcham (? but mentioned)
Charles Parker (?)
Rob Lathrop (two years first team)
Steven Bzerak (? but mentioned)
Nick Milvo (? but mentioned)
Michael Cole (not yet but will be)
Brice Myers (all conference 2d team)
Leyland Clemmons (two years first team)
Aaron Nardone (1ST TEAM ALL- CONFERENCE)
Kyle Newcomb (?)
Taylor Lane (? but mentioned)
Dane Smith (? but mentioned)
Lewis Singleton (1st Team all conference)
Brooke Draper (?)
Britney Walters (?)
Alexis Burrell (?)
Ali Moriarty (?)
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Z zrxkuma10+ posts
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Originally posted by mathews41:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
If you notice some are girls. Get over it...


Get over it? You are joking, right?!? The guy was TWICE (not once, but TWICE) accused of inappropriately touching teenage girls. Once MAY be a misunderstanding but twice is a pattern.


We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


MISTAKE??!!! that's when you accidently buy skim milk vice whole milk. when you make a concious decision to do something it is not a mistake! you made a poor/illegal decision...not a mistake. BIG DIFFERENCE that people seem to not get!
R rainoutsux100+ posts
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Originally posted by mathews41:
I want you alll to know... Within a few short minutes I made my point. I knew that some of you would bring up the coaches past. I knew that some of you would say that two times is wrong even though he was only found guilty once.

The fact is we all make mistakes. We all have issues with our past.

The fact is Bobby Hoeft recognizes that he made a mistake. The fact is Bobby Hoeft realizes that he has to earn your trust. The fact is that many parents have forgiven (names listed above) Bobby and you should too.


He was also good at fooling people to benefit his business and make money through coaching and setting up teams. Don't be a sucker your entire life.
playrightplayright100+ posts
Mathews you HAD to know this would turn into a volatile thread. Good coach, bad Coach it doesn't matter, the non baseball related HUGE issues are always going to overshadow anything else with this person does. In no way can you simpley say he "made a mistake" a coach is intrusted with the wellfare of a child, even the insinuation of the trust being broken will be a stigma forever, and this guy has been criminally convicted!
mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by zrxkuma:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
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Originally posted by mathews41:
If you notice some are girls. Get over it...


Get over it? You are joking, right?!? The guy was TWICE (not once, but TWICE) accused of inappropriately touching teenage girls. Once MAY be a misunderstanding but twice is a pattern.


We all make mistakes. You want to confirm your sainthood? The man is a great coach with a history (so what). Read the papers. There are a few more coaches that are more notable than our locale coach that have made mistakes in their lives. The problem is as I see it... you all want to create more of a story than is required. Let it go.


MISTAKE??!!! that's when you accidently buy skim milk vice whole milk. when you make a concious decision to do something it is not a mistake! you made a poor/illegal decision...not a mistake. BIG DIFFERENCE that people seem to not get!


Oh I get it. I am an part of, what I feel is the most prestigious organization out there, and have been for 26 years. I have seen people make mistakes that are unforgiving. This is not one of them and realize that all fall short.
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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by playright:
Mathews you HAD to know this would turn into a volatile thread. Good coach, bad Coach it doesn't matter, the non baseball related HUGE issues are always going to overshadow anything else with this person does. In no way can you simpley say he "made a mistake" a coach is intrusted with the wellfare of a child, even the insinuation of the trust being broken will be a stigma forever, and this guy has been criminally convicted!


I am sorry. My point was that his players are doing well in their respective leagues. I did not bring up any old news. Your question should be directed somewere else. By the way, I have no problem with him coaching my children.
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PISPIS1,000+ posts
From the outside looking in...

Almost seems like Mathews41 started this thread with the expectations that it would morph into what it has become.

I don't know the coach in question. But with the abundance of top tier instruction in that area, why would anybody risk their child's well being?

Parents don't need "saints" as coaches for their kids. But they do not need adults that have "made mistakes" with teenagers.

Call me paranoid, but I could care less if he was convicted in a court of law. Remember that just because you are not convicted it doesn't mean you didn't do it. That pesky "innocent until proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT" thing sometimes does not get the bad guy.

I've just gone back and re-read all the posts. Almost feels like 41 is reaching out for help. If you need help, go to the authorities, your priest (or not), an adult friend (not the coach in question).

This entire thing seems sad.

Rich
www.playinschool.com
D dblemup100+ posts
My last post on this dumb thread...I am FAR from perfect and I have been a coach for a bunch of years AND played for a great coach that was wrongfully accused of such an action (who was later absolved of any wrongdoing, but it altered his life forever), so I am not one to jump the gun on an issue such as this.

By virtue of the fact this coach was accused twice and is no longer allowed to instruct in a certain area, even though not found guilty in a courtroom, tells me there was some admission of wrongdoing at the least. This is based on my experiences in almost 22 years of Federal law enforcement.

All that said...if Matthew wants to cannonize this coach, have at it. Just don't call his transgressions a "mistake". That is a slap in the face to every family that has gone through something like this. Matthew is entitled to his opinion, as are we.

side note: Matthew...I am guessing this coach isnt crazy about you making this post. He would most likely prefer to stay behind the scenes and let his past "mistakes" die a slow death...just an educated guess. I for one thank you for bringing this out.
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Q QuadAAAA100+ posts
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Originally posted by mathews41:
I am going to stay up all night with this one. Because the problem is with the comment "multiple."
Give me multiple examples and I might change my tone. Problem is you can not. The coach made a mistake and he acknowledges it..


Mathews41...you want "multiple"? Here you go.
He has been accussed of a many criminal acts involving minors leading to arrests in apprx. 2002 and again in 2006
He was charged with multiple felonies in 2002 - 4 to be exact
HE WAS FOUND GUILTY of multiple charges (2) in 2002

Now that I did give you multiple, will you change your tone as you state?

Birddog-
See my earlier post; no he would not be allowed to work in the school system in a paid position or for the city as a coach.
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