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I have been coming to these boards for awhile now. I have learned alot of new information and ideas about the sport I love. The problem is with those on here who believe that there is only one way to coach players. I have seen many disagreements about hitting with different individuals arguing about which process or style to teach hitting is better. In my eyes, who cares which is better as long as the player is performing and gaining success.

I believe in the idea that no one style will make a person better, it takes a combination. In my years of coaching, I have incorporated ideas about baseball instruction from others into my philosophy.

I am going to name a poster not out of spite but out of the way he says things. Linear wrote or actually stated the idea that coaches' egos distract them from taking the time to teach and they only care about winning trophies. Well, it is a possibility but Linear you have the same ego problem when it comes to your style of teaching hitting. You believe it is the only way that will be able to foster success in players and you are wrong because there are numerous coaches who don't teach your method that have made their players very successful. I have seen you on numerous occassions get down right ugly with someone who doesn't agree with you. Who really cares if they do, I don't and half the board doesn't care either. Why can't you come in and state your style and debate it like a normal person without getting defensive if someone doesn't see things your way? Do you really think you are a God? Do you think you know it all in baseball? If so then why are you scared to let people in on who you are instead of hiding behind the screen. If you are that good as a coach then let us know who you are so that we can send some kids to you for instruction.

As far as instruction goes, I believe in the word KISS... Keep It Simple Stupid. If my players are having success then I must be doing something right and thats how I see it. When they fail then it is me but when they are accomplishing their goals then I am a success because they are successful. I have been real successful at coaching baseball but one thing I believe in is there is no one way for me to coach the players I coach. Learning is apart of me and all good coaches will agree. If you are unwilling to learn more then you are failing your players.

Linear you believe in your sytem which is good but what gives you the right to blast the rest of us for not believing in the way you believe?

In closing, the great philosopher, Socrates, quoted " A man who thinks he is wise by portraying he knows something when he knows nothing is a fool, but a man who knows nothing can be wise." It is not word for word but the understanding should be there. A wise man is one who is willing to learn new things and a fool never wants to learn new things.

I know this is long but I became a member of this board to learn and expand my coaching abilities not to see grown men pissing on each other because they think they are a God.


Scooter
Any where, Any time, and Any place.
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Scooter, great thread, right on with KISS. I had an old coach at a clinic tell us that you can have hundreds of theories on paper about this game, but experience wll make all the difference. I don't know linear, most here don't seem to know him. He may know his stuff or he may be Will Hunting, all theory, no experience. Anyway, the first time I heard KISS was from this old coach. He was a D-1 guy with like 40 years experience. I wish I had gone back to school to get my degree, as I have had many opportunities slip past me because I didn't have one. Good luck to you.

Coachric
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... but what gives you the right to blast the rest of us for not believing in the way you believe?


The better question is why are you such a **** to let someone who holds a strong opinion get your knickers bunched up.

Your response is typical. You don't like my delivery or my opinion but you haven't given any counter points. You just want space to believe what you believe. Do you need my permission to believe what you believe? Do you need my blessing?............I don't need yours to believe in mine.

If I say "BOO" in the midwest are you scared in Mississippi?
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Scooter, you don't post enough. Your coaching style will not or should I say should not be stagnant. I'm sure you know that. I do think that you find certain givens in what you believe in to coach be it hitting, fielding, pitching, defense,... Naturally, you will then evaluate what you know and then re evaluate these until you've settled on what you know. You also have to be comfortable with your coaching style. I'm a yeller and screamer. I am also a hug and a pat on the back and certainly a laugh or two. My key is eight positives to one negative. However, the negative is a bad negative. I think your community and administration have something to say about your coaching style as well. If they don't support it, you're done.

As far as anyone on this website's opinion about what you or I or anyone does, until they've seen you in action, they really don't know what you are about. We are so fortunate to have so many great baseball people on this site and most know the characters from the ones that display character. It's their opinions that I value. The others? Mud Wrestling! "Never go mudwrestling with a pig because you'll just get muddy and the pig will love it."
Scooter,

I believe I know you from a PM conversation we had on the MST site regarding coaching openings earlier this year. You had said you were friends with Chris(?) Myers who had previously coached at my son's school in Leake Co. How are things going for you?

BTW, I, too, believe there is not one shoe that fits every foot. If they are successful doing things in a way other than what you teach, then get out of their way and let them succeed. Work with those who struggle.


B25,

Your "Eight positives to One negative" philosophy reminded me of a guy who's philosophy that was more of a One to One ratio. It was what I described as "Give 'em Hell, and Give 'em Donuts". With a mouth full of donuts, they forget you gave 'em Hell earlier. They'll work like maniacs for those dang donuts.
Learn the difference between the discussion Swingbuster and I had..........versus........the discussion TR and I had or Blue Dog and TR had.

One is a pissing contest. One sided because only one offers advice. The other pisses.

The other is a discussion between two knowledgeable baseball people who disagree. If you can't learn from that I suggest you remain a police officer.
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Linear,

Your response is what I expected from a person with your nature or child-like qualities. You don't get my knickers bunched up cause I don't care about quotes, I want examples and explanations of the mechanics not something revamped into your words to try and preach your belief. Opinions are one thing but when you consistently downgrade others for not sharing your belief is a total different beast. I don't have to give counter points to quotes taken from a web-site or a book and I never proclaim to be the " God " of baseball. However, my players have been successful and to me their success is what matters the most.

No, I don't need your permission to believe what I believe but I also don't need a moron like you coming on here quoting one person's life of work without explaining why you believe in their system and their system only.

Obviously, you haven't realized the game of baseball or you are too blinded by your own ego to truly see baseball was not invented to be played the same way nor be taught the same way. If so then everybody would stand the same way, pitch the same way, and field the same way. Don't get me wrong there are things among all those three that need to be done mechanically but what I think is important may not be what you think is important.

Example, I might tell a player you have to go back before you can go forward ( load ). You may give him some technical jargon about load this and load that and don't forget to load that. The end result is what matters in my eyes not the way you try to talk above others. I will guarantee that the results will be the same for your player and my player.

The other thing, I think you forget is that players learn different and not all can comprehend load this, load that, and the other technical jargon you try to use. If you are lucky to have that, then congrats to you because you have some genetically gifted students and athletes. However, the real world is not as fortunate to have players of the same learning ability. Thats why I believe in the K.I.S.S. philosophy.

In closing, no I wouldn't be scared but I believe in Southern Miss's motto " Any place, any time, and any where."

Scooter
Linear,

One more thing is I know the difference between a pissing contest and a knowledgeable debate. Your reference to Swingbuster and your's conversation was not a knowledgable one. You didn't offer no explanations of why it should happen the way you believe. Basically, what you stated was Swingbuster is wrong and I am right because arm action has no use...PERIOD.

You rambled about this and you rambled about that but no insight was given just quotes.

Since you brought up the police officer profession. I will take this time and explain what happens in a case in court cause obviously you have dementia and can't remember or forget to remember in your world of fantasy and ego-padding.

The Process of A Court Hearing :

1. Both sides open up with reasoning behind why something has or has not happened and what they will prove or disprove.

2. Both sides then prove their case with sound reasoning, evidence, and other means like witnesses.

3. Both sides then submit their closing statement to why the jury should find a person guilty or not guilty. Then the jury will decide.

My friend this is how a argument about ideas are done. Your way is not an argument or debate, it is a tool you use to blast and demean anyone not believing in your beliefs.


Scooter
Scooter,

Just another perspective here.

Linear has been posting here for a long time. He has gotten incrementally more civil as time has gone by. That is good IMO.

He posts his concepts of hitting and throwing. They are very well articulated IMO and presented in a manner that makes them appear to be new and revolutionary. They are not IMO.

His distinction is the delivery - and his delivery can best be described as a "shock and awe" marketing approach.

Again - not one I would recommend for maximum effectiveness. But as long as he is civil - why would anyone care about an internet poster's ego?

Regards - and enjoy!
WOW! It's my first time in this forum and I must say, it's a rough crowd.

Just my short thoughts on the exchange...

I have been in baseball a long time, I do not profess to be an expert on any one topic or subject with respect to coaching. Main reason I hire coaches that can oversee tool aspects of the game i.e. pitching, infield, outfield, catchers etc. I firmly beleive if you think you know it all, its time to hang up the cleats. I go to coaches clinics every year and learn something new each year. I may have fel my way was the best way, until I see someone elses idea and how it worked. Being a coach is more than a title, making your wife a baseball widow during the season, and not getting paid very well... It's being a "student of the game" and passing this on to your players so someday they will take our place in the coaching ranks and the process can start all over again.

I was sorry to see the disagreements, and I know sometimes feelings are hurt because written tidbits are not always reflective of what a face to face conversation would involve. IMO, this forum should be for coaches to share things that work for YOU and if other coaches think it will help THEM, then use it. I do not agree with a lot of things in life, but I listen and learn. I have picked up some great points during the short time I have been on this site and I look forward to picking up additional ideas and suggestions in the future. If I can be of assistance, I will always share my viewpoint and perspective for what it is worth, my prespective.

Happy Holidays, Peace on Earth and Goodwill on HSBBW Smile
Scooter:

As you are aware, each individual player is built differently (mentally and physically) and will do things slightly different in his own way and in his own time.

Every good coach understands this and studies ways to simplify what he teaches so more players can understand more.

Some posters on the other hand, do the exact opposite. This is why a lot of intellectuals do not make good teachers.

Keep learning and teaching the fundamentals of hitting, base running, pitching and defense. And keep adhering to that KISS principle!

THop
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My approach as a coach has always been molded over the years by experience. I constantly try to learn new ways to teach the game and new ways to reach the same goals with every player. There are certain fundemental beliefs that there is no compromising on. Hustle Attitude Discipline Team Work Dedication ETC ETC. There are certain things that I am always trying to improve on. I listen to everyone that I can and take what I feel is good and try it and forget what I feel is garbage. What we as coaches do is mostly derived from years of trial by fire season after season. Those that refuse to change what does not work and those that refuse to listen to others that have quality experience and a proven track record are bound to repeat the same mistakes year after year. If my players are improving year to year and are better players when they leave than when they arrived that is a positive sign. One thing for sure is when I take advice from someone I make sure it is someone that I truly respect in the game. And the reason I respect them is that they have proven in real life experiences that they know what they are talking about. It is all to easy to type credentials on a key board without having to produce results on the actual diamond in front of actual people. Anyone that wants to can come to one of my practices and or games and see the way our players handle themselves on the field can do so and they do. Are they well coached in the fundementals of the game? Do they handle cut plays properly? Do they have a sound approach at the plate? ETC ETC. Those that post here that offer expert advice based on theory only and not actual experience do not have to produce anything other than cyber credentials. For instance if I want to check out TR I can simply go to a Baseball Select Showcase and see how he runs things for myself. I can go watch his showcase team play. I can judge for myself in actual reality. The same can be said of the coaches here. I can go watch there teams play and immediately see if they know what they are doing. Its awfull easy to spew out jargon and try to sound as if you know what you are talking about. Its another thing altogether to produce results with your players and have the results of your work right out there in the eyes of all to see.
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Not all can comprehend, load this, load that...


You're absolutely right............but the good ones do.


Your right the good ones will comprehend load this and load that but it sounds to me you have been painting the kettle black with your blasting of coaches. Your one statement makes it seem like you will not help players that don't understand your system in hitting which is no different in the way you believe alot of coaches fail to develop players.


Itsinthegame,

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you on some of your points but my whole disbelief is the fact that with Linear there is no explanation to why things should be done the way he teaches. I thought this was supposed to be a coach's forum with the intent to provide ideas, explanations, and other meaningful things to help us all become better coaches with more knowledge so we can help our players develop better. I didn't know it was a I am the Holy Grail and all of you who have been successful are wrong and I am right and have done nothing to show for it forum.


Waveball,

Great post and I agree with you 100%


Thop,

I will keep teaching the fundamentals of the game and keep learning the game and I will continue living by the principle of KISS.



Scooter
Scooter

I think we can look at the "bigs" and see the successful managers/coaches

We can see the same at any level--but we can also get on the internet where being "faceless" enables many to teach and instruct and the gullible and uninformed bite and buy a "product" due to a fancy website with great verbiage but no true substance-- take some time and visit some of the teaching websites and see how many do not even have backgrounds on the owners and staff.

Who are they and what are they ?

Yes a coaches forum is to exchange ideas and explanations but there still has to be substance and a solid degree of confidence in what the poster is providing--not regurgitation from another site
Look, gentlemen, the bottom line is this:
None of us has ALL the answers...or we wouldn't need this site so much! This is a site for the exchange of ideas...as long as it REMAINS an exchange of ideas, and not a chance for unfiltered criticism, we have a site here that can truly help. The minute it turns into childish one-upsmanship, the site becomes less valuable.
Every person on this site posts things at times that they are hoping someone agrees with. All good coaches on this site have also attended clinics and have done two things:
1- nodded their head when the college coach taught it "just like I do"
2- shook their head side to side when the college coach "didn't teach it like we like to"

Keep this site what it was meant to be: a great place for intelligent baseball people to share and receive information that can help them and others.
To quote an old Charles Barkley commercial, "Anything less would be uncivilized."
Have a great 2006 all! Coach Knight

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