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Okay... This actually happened in a baseball game this weekend (Pony Prime 14U).

Sorry, this is a bit long.

Next to last inning with the game tied bottom of the inning with one out. Ball hit to left field, somewhat of a blooper (pretty good height) with left fielder playing back. Fielder gets to the ball just as it is coming down and in his haste the ball tips off his glove and hits him in the top of the head and bounces past him deeper into left field maybe 5 or 10 feet. The player goes to the ground but it was hard to tell if it was due to him attempting to catch the ball or if he is hurt. Center fielder backs up left fielder and makes the throw in to third and goes and checks on this teammate. During all of this, the plate umpire yells "TIME" as soon as the ball hits the left fielder and runs out almost to 3rd base and hollers "TIME" again, and yells at our bench for the coaches to get out to left field which we immediately do. Since the hit hung for a while, the batter had rounded 1st and was headed to 2nd when the first "TIME" was called. When the dust settled, the plate umpire sent the runner back to 1st saying that he had called time when he saw the ball hit the kid for "safety" reasons. Of course, he was watching the left fielder and had no idea where the batter was when time was called. Our arguement was first that time could not be called in the middle of an active play and secondly, that regardless, the play would have been at 2nd and therefore the runner should stay at 2nd. By the way, before the coaches could get out to left field, the left fielder was up and he and the center fielder were laughing about what happend. The left fielder did not come out of the game.

History: This is an umpire that has a reputation for interjecting himself into a game. He is always right, knows every obscure rule and nobody can question his calls.

Questions:

We follow Official Rules of Baseball, with a very few Official Pony additions, no local rules changes.

1. He insists that the rules allow him to call "time" at any point he chooses. Do the rules allow him to call time at any point in the game regardless of the fact that a play is active?

2. If he can call time at any point, should the player have been returned to 1st base?

Just as a point of reference, the next batter pops up to the pitcher and appears to be waiting to catch the ball. Batter is running out the play and the runner on 1st moves back towards first so that he is not doubled off. At the last second, the pitcher loses the ball in the lights and misplays the ball and immediately picks the ball up and throws the runner out at second base. If the original batter in the scenario had been allowed to stay at 2nd, then the situation would have been runners at 1st and 2nd with one out. As it was, it was runner at 1st with 2 outs. The next batter hits a base hit to right center which would have scored the runner from second (would have been the wining run) but instead only moved him up to 2nd. Next batter strikes out ending the inning.

Game finishes as a tie.

Your expertise please...
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There are a number of rules that can be be applied here.....

But lets get to your questions.....

"Do the rules allow him to call time at any point in the game regardless of the fact that a play is active?"

In most cases the answer is no....Rule 5.10.h says except for the cases stated in paragraphs (B) and (C) of this rule, no umpire shall call time while a play is in progress.....

HOWEVER....you have an example of paragraph C...

Rule 5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls "time"..

C. when an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire.

In this instance the umpire felt the contact was sufficient enough to warrant suspending play to attend to the player in question.....It is only his judgment that counts in this.

"If he can call time at any point, should the player have been returned to 1st base?"

Runners affected by the call of time will be put at the bases that the umpire felt they would have achieved. Again, umpire judgment of where the runners should be. I am hoping he had a partner who would be able to offer input on where the runners should be located..... if he was doing the game solo, you get his best judgment.......

I cant speak to why this umpire saw fit to call time in this instance, but I can tell you that I can find no fault with what he did.....In youth games the umpire is responsible for the safety of the players....and in this day and age of rampant legal fingerpointing, it is better to be on the side of safety......

I'll put it this way.....if I have a choice of confirming a young players health and safety over letting a play finish out, Im killing the play and sorting the play out after the childs condition has been assessed.... this is PONY league and not the world series....

From an umpires perspective, My own or my partners opinion is the only one I can trust to help me make decisions on the field.....I dont take in account what anyone else thinks or sees....I have got to be convinced.... because if it goes wrong I will be one of the names on the lawsuit.....

hope this helps.
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if I have a choice of confirming a young players health and safety over letting a play finish out, Im killing the play and sorting the play out after the childs condition has been assessed.... this is PONY league and not the world series....


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Exactly !!! I've been on both ends of this situation and would never fault the ump for stopping play when a kid is hurt. (Well, maybe a little bit under my breath if we needed a run late in the game - we've got some blood thirsty parents that expect to WIN.)
I'd a played on, per your description of the play.
Safety for the players is indeed number one, however, to kill a play at the first sign of a possible injury? Me, No. Of course this is dependent on the play, HTBT.

Sheeesh, you know what I'm doing next time I have this ump and a ball burns me to the gap, I'm fainting and holding this guy to a single.

Let the play finish, kill it at the FIRST opportunity. There is nothing coaches, trainers, nor parents can do in the amount of time that would have lapsed letting the play continue. Notice I said AT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY, ball at or near the 3rd baseman, runner at or near a base, TIME, regardless of any possibility of an ensuing play.

The age group involved would have a big bearing on when I would kill such a play. From your description I wouldn't have killed it.

I also wouldn't fault the umpire for killing this, his heart is certainly in the right place, although perhaps on his sleeve. Sounds like he killed this play very quickly, which would lead me to believe "he only had the players well being in mind". Can't fault a guy for caring..
Clearly from a trained umpire perspective and in accordance with the rules, you would try not to kill the play until like jjk accurately states "until the first opportunity".......

I know we often speak of umpire judgment, but this is where this sits.....judgment of letting the play continue or to kill it based on the injury..... and the other side of the issue which is depriving the offense of the continuing action of the play......its a fine line to juggle so while I may not have killed the play as fast as this umpire, I truly can not fault him for doing so......

But to your question of where I would have placed runners....if I was not supplied the proper information from my base partner, then I would have to go with where I glanced back at the runners after making the call......Based on this being a PONY league game on a 54/80 field....and unlesss the player was excessively slowfooted.... I would probably lean toward putting the runner at second......But this is clearly a HTBT....
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Thanks to everyone for their comments. It helps sometimes just to get it off your chest and talk about it. Of course, I really wanted to know what the rules said, as well, which y'all provided; thanks.

I think I would agree with everyone here regarding stopping the play at the "First Opportunity" for safety reasons. And, I believe, having been there (HTBT) that the runner would have clearly been able to advance to 2nd. It wasn't our fastest player but he has no trouble running the bases (scores easily from 2nd on a simple base hit). I guess this is where I had the problem with this particular umpire. As stated earlier, he has a reputation of interjecting himself into the game and if he had allowed the player to stay at 2nd, then nobody would have had a problem and would not have noticed him. By sending the runner back to 1st, he drew attention to himself and caused a commotion. I just think the most pertinent thing outside of the safety of the players is to not penalize the offense for a mistake the defense made. By the way, after the game, the other team's coaches all came over and said that the runner should have remained on 2nd base. You know, it is just a Pony game but if the score doesn't matter, why do we keep it. If we get beat, hey we get beat. I just hate ties; as somone so aptly put, it's like kissing your sister.

It's funny that jjk mentioned about "fainting" with a hit in the gap. That's exactly what I said after our head coach appealed the ruling to the PU. I guess great minds think alike. Smile

Thanks,
Charles
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Just as a point of reference, the next batter pops up to the pitcher and appears to be waiting to catch the ball. Batter is running out the play and the runner on 1st moves back towards first so that he is not doubled off. At the last second, the pitcher loses the ball in the lights and misplays the ball and immediately picks the ball up and throws the runner out at second base.


Should have been infield fly rule batter/runner out.
Piaa,

I agree that it is only in affect with runners at 1st and 2nd with less that 2 outs (this is the case with bases loaded). That is why I stated that its intent was to protect against an intentional drop and double play. I hope that you are not implying that it is not in affect with bases loaded. The dropped pop-up and double play would be even more disastrous for the offensive team with bases loaded.

A comment from you regarding the "fainting" scenario described by jjk? Just attempting humor.

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