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Acting on a dare late last month, a Powell Valley baseball player lined up with his fellow Vikings for the National Anthem, unzipped his pants and urinated on the field.

“We want to make this very clear, this kid did nothing that he considered unpatriotic,” Wise County Schools Superintendent Jeff Perry said. “It was a stupid mistake; he has accepted responsibility. And that, coupled with the fact that he has had a very good record in the past – he’s going to pay for it, but we don’t have to behead him, we don’t have to crucify him.”

Perry would not say what the punishment entailed, citing student privacy. He also declined to name the boy.

Yet a half a dozen sources in Big Stone Gap, who asked that their names not be published, named Jacob Huff, a football star and “all-around good kid from a good family.” According to the team’s on-line roster, the sophomore is a varsity pitcher and outfielder. He’s a celebrated quarterback on the football team, according to accounts in sports pages across the Tri-Cities, and his father is listed on the Powell Valley High School’s website as a coach and physical education teacher.

“I don’t feel any animosity toward him, and in no way would I want to hurt this kid,” said Joe Rasnick, commander of Big Stone Gap’s Veterans of Foreign Wars. “It’s what he did that I despise.”

Rasnick heard about it the day after it happened, at a meeting of veterans.

“We were all disheartened that a youngster would do that,” Rasnick said. “I don’t think anyone was fiery angry, more of a sorrowful kind of anger. But as hurtful and hateful a symbol as that one, the First Amendment gives him the right to do it, and thank God we still have that freedom. But it’s just very disrespectful to the flag, and especially to us guys who served our time.”

It happened at a Vikings home game, against Pound High School, on April 30, with Pound’s Principal Marcia Shortt right behind home plate. She said last week that she didn’t actually see it, but just heard about it. She declined to comment further.

Perry said the boy did not choose to urinate during the singing of the National Anthem as a sign of disrespect to country or flag. It was happenstance, he said.

“It’s unfortunate that this did happen, and it happened at that time,” he said. Perry also dismissed the rumor that it was the result of a $20 bet. He said there was no monetary exchange; another player merely dared Huff to do it.

Last week, Powell Valley’s principal and baseball coach both declined to comment on the incident. A message left at the Huff residence was not returned.

Rasnick was quick to come up with what he believed would be proper punishment for urinating on the field during the National Anthem. He suggested a public apology, then an assignment to research patriotism, which should be presented to the school.

“When they play the Star Spangled Banner, a lot of folks keep on talking, drinking their sodas and eating their popcorn. A mighty hush doesn’t come over the crowd anymore,” he said. “This is just one incident where a youngster did a stupid thing, and he’s probably very sorry. I bet that someday, when he matures, he’ll realize that he did a very hurtful and distasteful thing.”
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Regardless, this is much more than talking or ignoring the National Anthem. He needs to learn a lesson at this early stage. If they let it slide, or impose a weak punishment, he'll slide, and not to the good side. He should be banned from all sports for a whole year. He's just a sophomore, if he's got talent he'll have 2 years to show himself.
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I agree with diamond stalker......this is not just an 'immature' act. A year off will do him good.

The freedom he has to play baseball was fought for and a lot of good men died for his freedom. That is what the flag stands for. If he doesn't like it he could go play ball in a lot of other countries. He might want to be careful though, in a lot of other countries it would be the last time he went to the bathroom voluntarily.
The juvenile should have been cited for public urination. Not sure what the policy is for such charges. A fine might be $500 in Wise County
and is probably the maximum amount he can be charged with under the Bristol statute.

Assuming he hasn't already pleaded when charged he
should be issued a citation, then next steps is to contact the Va prosecutor's office and try to negotiate a lower (or dismissed) fine.

He (or his parents) could of course, hire an attorney and fight the citation and fine entirely.

Unbelievable.

Even more remarkable is: “We want to make this very clear, this kid did nothing that he considered unpatriotic" says Wise County Schools Superintendent Jeff Perry.

Public opinion should request Perry to retire . .....gracefully.
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Diamond Stalker and Novabball, What is the written rule that the young man broke for which you seek to impose punishment and what were the advance stated ramifications or consequences for breaking that rule? One cannot just make up rules and punishments for their breach as one goes, an ex post facto approach. That also is one of the freedoms this country affords.

Coach May, I don't disagree that there should be respect but it is hard to legislate. How do you propose to handle coaches who permit their pitcher to continue warmup throughout the National Anthem (which I witnessed a couple of years ago of an opposing team)? What about teams that do not even play the National Anthem at their games?

BTW, aside from the respect issue, the young man may have broken a law, not because of when he took his action (during the National Anthem) but because of the action he did take - urinating in public.
I would suggest that some where along the line ,we all have lost the meaning of self respect ,common decency and respect for other people. This is not a KID that made a "mistake" this is a young man that apparently has no respect for his family and certainly for himself
And as mentioned, urinating in public should have gotten him arrested. I wonder IF HIS MOTHER witnessed this .public display of an a "young man with a good record"
Uuuffahhh! Take him to Arlington for the burial of some real hero from Iraq or Afganistan. Ask him if he feels like urinating then. Then let a few Marines take him back to the barracks to educate him. Put him in an Orange jump suit on the edge of the highway all summer and give him a two year hitch after High School. Maybe along the way he'll get right.
Our HS coach would have booted him off the team before the last notes of the National Anthem played, and I would agree with just such a move. This isn't a boyish prank, it's just blatant disrespect. He may have been showing off or perhaps accepted a foolish bet from his buddies.

It's a privilege to play baseball and privilege to live in this country, where we indeed honor that flag. My dad and his buddies in the 116th Infantry, 29th Division, weren't in the first wave on June 6, 1944, at Utah Beach, Normandy, France, to protect stupidity like this.

Boot him.
WB Public Indency is a crime and it needs to be treated accordingly. That's the gist of my orange jump suit comment. Is it Ok for him to go to the mall and drop his already too low jeans for a 10 year old girl to see his junk? Somebody's little sister was there and saw this.

Warming up or running your mouth during the Anthem is not a crime. Disgraceful but not a crime.

In the morally relitive culture that we've become passing judgement has become in worse taste than the acts themselves. I get it.
luvbaseball, you don't have to point out to me that it is a crime. If you will note above, I was the first to mention that urinating in public is a crime. The indecent exposure may depend upon what is exposed. And I agree that warming up while the National Anthem is playing is not a crime, just very poor taste. Just trying to discern if folks are punishing for poor taste or a crime. I observe the urinating in public many times from ball players at ball fields who are too lazy or "too pressed for time" to go to the port-a-potty and instead use the local tree (observed it just yesterday.) Are you going to put orange jump suits on those guys also? Their "crime" is the same. Also, btw, under Virginia's indecent exposure statute (18.2-387), anyone who "procures another to so expose himself, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor." So the guys who made the bet with the young man also need to be put in your orange jump suits.
Without going into my feelings towards what kids are being taught about our country and history in school today, I will add this:

Glad to read that he is at least being held accountable and it's not "someone else's fault"

I have said it before and I will say it again. 2 years with a pack and a rifle or 4 years service of choice would do a lot of good to the youth of this country.
There are about 42 countries without conscription and 28 with conscription according to my friend, google. Countries with conscription include Albania, Austria, Brazil, China, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iran, Isarel, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Serbia, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey and Ukraine. Albania, Serbia, Sweden and Ukraine are eliminating it in the near future.
This piece of filth premeditated this act for maximum shock value. He intentially pulled his genitals out and urinated in front of probably 75-100 people.

To suggest there is any comparision to someone ducking into the tree line behind the dugout is simplistic rhetoric.

This kid deserves to get his block knocked off along with his pals.

That's all from me on this one. Back to the games.
I think regardless of the law the act is certainly unbecoming of someone who represents his school as a member of "EXTRA" circulars such as baseball...
I would suspend him from school and the "EXTRA" activities would not even be an option...it is after all a priviledge to participate in such activities that come with certain unspoken responsibilities and expectations

I know it would go without saying at most schools that the coach would kick you off his team for such an act....what made this individual think he would be allowed to do such a thing and continue in the program?

Somewhere today there is a former UVA lacrosse player sitting in a prison that some said had a history of drinking and violoent behavior.... that behavior went without consequences as he "matured"...I have to believe, even if it meant consequences that impacted his going away to UVA and playing lacrosse , had someone dealt with him earlier things could be different...I dont know- but I'll bet he and others would like to go back and change things.

Could someone make this a legal matter, cite the penal code, get a lawyer, and have the kid back on the field in short order? Of course.
Does a kid who would disrespect so many that have done so much and reflect so poorly on his family,coaches, and teamates need some serious help?
luvbaseball, I find the tree line just as offensive. If I could see it from the stands, it was in public also. Had a feeling, though, that you would find that acceptable. And as far as the young man taking action in front of 75-100 people, if everyone were showing respect for the National Anthem, everyone's attention would have been on the flag and no one would have noticed, unless the young man were in a straight line between the eyes and the flag. So I guess there must have been a number of folks who were not paying attention to the National Anthem.
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luvbaseball, I find the tree line just as offensive. If I could see it from the stands, it was in public also. Had a feeling, though, that you would find that acceptable.


WB, I would respectfully add that I didn't think for a moment luvbaseball was saying the kid who urinates at the tree line was acceptable.

What I thought he was saying and what I agree with 100% is the two situations are about as polar opposite as you can get.

I really hope you can understand that. You are going to have a very difficult time trying to get anyone to think the comparison is reasonable.

I just don't see how you can deny the kid did this for pure shock value, which is a complete shame on many different levels.
Saipanwarrior’s thread was entitled “What would you do.” One of the freedoms or hallmarks of this country is the “rule of law” (though admittedly there have been periods in this country’s history when it was not extended to all because of race, national origin or religion, among other "reasons".) It was my understanding of history that “rule of law,” and a say therein, was one of the freedoms the signers of the Declaration of Independence sought, for which Hokieone’s dad hit Utah Beach and for which another’s served in WWII, Korea and ultimately died in a North Vietnamese prison. As part of the rule of law, there are potential punishments set forth in advance for violations of the law, not a vigilante justice of making up the sentences and crimes as one goes. Many of my postings were to see if any of those on their soap boxes, particularly those focusing on the timing and location of the event, would ever ask the question as to what the potential punishment was as provided by the rule of law. Not a single poster asked what the rule of law provided, all assumed the facts presented in the newspaper article were 100% accurate (and we know that the newspapers are always 100% accurate, right?) and many seemed quick to trample upon the rule of law.

There are at least two sets of rules to deal with the young man, those set forth in their athletic policy and those of the Virginia Code. Pound is in Virginia, correct? I don’t know what the Powell Valley athletic policy statement is. From memory, in the Chesapeake area, the written policy (which provides advance notice) states that a player will be suspended from the team for one year for use of alcohol, illegal drugs and tobacco and for conviction of crimes involving the same or crimes of moral turpitude (which is a legal term of art and I don’t think that indecent exposure is within that). The coach of the baseball team could and certainly should bench him for a number of games. It seems a coach has the leeway to not play a player for any reason - didn’t run out a fly ball, was late to practice, didn’t cover home plate, is a senior – certainly the coach could choose to sit the young man.

Under the Virginia Code, as referenced above, indecent exposure, assuming the elements are met, is a Class 1 misdemeanor, thus subject to a maximum of 12 months in jail or a fine up to $2,500 IF he is an adult. If the young man is a sophomore, he probably has not turned age 18. Thus the potential penalty, under the rule of law, I am told, is governed by Virginia Code § 16.1-278.8 and sections cross-referenced therein. The juvenile court judge has leeway, among other things, to fine him up to $500, put him under house arrest, defer action upon the charge and dismiss it if he stays out of trouble, suspend his driver’s license, order community service or possibly place him in a detention facility for up to six month “if the interests of the juvenile and the community require that the juvenile be placed under legal restraint or discipline” (but probably not likely for this offense I am told by a criminal attorney). These are the penalties which our elected (another one of our freedoms) representatives have determined to be appropriate under a rule of law.

A clean record should be taken into account, and in a number of places the Code section so indicates. Let’s leave the juvenile detention center for others with more serious crimes. Subjecting him to a fine in $$ may or may not make an impression on the young man. Writing a paper may help hone his research skills and may make an impression, but words on paper just don’t present the same stark reality as a “picture” which is worth a “1000 words.” So in response to Saipan's question, if I were a judge in the case, I would sentence him to hours of community service, as permitted under the Virginia Code, the rule of law, to be served in the nearest VA hospital which serves wounded and disabled veterans .
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WB- I said I wouldn't but I had to comment. Factored in he is juvy that's why I didn't say jail time. Short of the the two year hitch in the service all of my reccomendations are within a judges jurisdiction. So that is what I would do.

You are correct about the status of Juvy justice will likely result in the honorable Master Jacob getting a stern talking to and 5 hours of Community service and we'll all just move on. A tap in the wrist and no discomfort for passing judgement on a punk with a clean record.

I am sure he and his buds will all become pillars of society. Years from now when they are at the local watering hole ******* down pitchers and talking about glory days they will get a good yuk talking about their youthful hijinks. Like the time I pi$$ed during the National Anthem in HS and got away with it.

Pitiful. Now I am stepping off the Soap Box.

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