This kid from Lincoln, Nebraska is throwing in the mid 80's right now and hes only a sophomore, his goal is to hit 90 by next spring. Check out his website at Seanyost.com
plp556- where exactly r u in NY?
as for avg. speed, I doubt it is even that high for freshman. I am a freshman LHP and 5'9" 151 lbs. and sit around 73-75, and have been clocked as high as 78 but some people say I can throw it 80, nonetheless I've never done it. It's rare to find another freshman around here throwing that hard, and I have seen 2 all season, which was mostly spent on JV before being the only freshman moved up to varsity. One sat in the upper 70's and was a LHP with a sharp curve, and was just slightly bigger than me, however I believe he just hurt his arm (so I've heard; he threw way too many curves). The other was a 6'2" 190 lbs. freshman who sat low 80's and could probably hit 85. We didn't really hit him, though I got a hit myself since it was pretty fast.
At the varsity level, the average speed around here is probably around 80, maybe just under. It is rare to find guys higher than 85, and lower than 76. There's a few guys who break 90, but I've never faced them myself. Once again, as of right now I haven't seen many freshman throw harder than me (at least at my size) and I have just started to work out. So I doubt 73-73 is average mph for a freshman, unless Southern Cal is THAT much better than NY
as for avg. speed, I doubt it is even that high for freshman. I am a freshman LHP and 5'9" 151 lbs. and sit around 73-75, and have been clocked as high as 78 but some people say I can throw it 80, nonetheless I've never done it. It's rare to find another freshman around here throwing that hard, and I have seen 2 all season, which was mostly spent on JV before being the only freshman moved up to varsity. One sat in the upper 70's and was a LHP with a sharp curve, and was just slightly bigger than me, however I believe he just hurt his arm (so I've heard; he threw way too many curves). The other was a 6'2" 190 lbs. freshman who sat low 80's and could probably hit 85. We didn't really hit him, though I got a hit myself since it was pretty fast.
At the varsity level, the average speed around here is probably around 80, maybe just under. It is rare to find guys higher than 85, and lower than 76. There's a few guys who break 90, but I've never faced them myself. Once again, as of right now I haven't seen many freshman throw harder than me (at least at my size) and I have just started to work out. So I doubt 73-73 is average mph for a freshman, unless Southern Cal is THAT much better than NY
I live in the Saratoga Region.
i have not been gunned yet this year but last year i was gunned as an 8th grader and i was throwing around 83, i was doing this with all arm strength and no lower body push, if anyone has tips so i could get some more drive and momentum please email me it would help my speed greatly and help me save my arm, my email is Littlebro101010@comcast.net, please email tips
Hey guys, I am 12 years old, about 100 lbs and can throw 61 MPH. I was wondering if this is good for my age and i wanted to know some ways to improve it. By the way, i am only 5'5
Josh H.,
Parts of SoCal can be pretty good. I was just talking to the coach of our Pony 13A team and he gunned his pitchers at 1. 79 mph, 2. 76 mph, 3. 73 mph, 4. & 5. 69 mph. These were max speeds. I believe 2. is going into 9th grade and the others are going into 8th grade. Our Pony 13B team has one pitcher throwing 69 to 70 max w/ good movement and one throwing 70 to 71 max. One will be a freshman the other will be an 8th grader. They'll probably all be cruising somewhere around their current max speed next year. My guess is that the 1. and 2. won't be playing freshman ball when they are freshman. 1. will probably go straight to varsity as a 15yo freshman and 2. will probably go to JV as a 14 yo freshman. The others will cruise up to the low 70s as freshmen.
Parts of SoCal can be pretty good. I was just talking to the coach of our Pony 13A team and he gunned his pitchers at 1. 79 mph, 2. 76 mph, 3. 73 mph, 4. & 5. 69 mph. These were max speeds. I believe 2. is going into 9th grade and the others are going into 8th grade. Our Pony 13B team has one pitcher throwing 69 to 70 max w/ good movement and one throwing 70 to 71 max. One will be a freshman the other will be an 8th grader. They'll probably all be cruising somewhere around their current max speed next year. My guess is that the 1. and 2. won't be playing freshman ball when they are freshman. 1. will probably go straight to varsity as a 15yo freshman and 2. will probably go to JV as a 14 yo freshman. The others will cruise up to the low 70s as freshmen.
For all you young pitchers---don't worry about your velocity so much--be cocncerned with good mechanics, ball movement and pitch location---doesn't matter very much if you throw harder than the next guy but you dont get guys out
I was talking to a friend who played some pro ball last night. When he was playing JC ball he went out and was throwing well in front of scouts, getting people out. No interest. His coach told him that the next time he threw in front of scouts he'd better throw harder so he did. He didn't pitch as well but he got interest and eventually was signed.
Back then we were told if you couldn't throw 85 don't even bother. Nowadays it is the same although with the new guns that 85 mph fastball would read 88.
You've got to be able to pitch or you won't help your team and won't be a pitcher. Eventually if your goal is to stay in baseball you'll also have to be able to throw hard enough to generate interest. Once you're signed they'll tell you to how to pitch and only results will matter.
Back then we were told if you couldn't throw 85 don't even bother. Nowadays it is the same although with the new guns that 85 mph fastball would read 88.
You've got to be able to pitch or you won't help your team and won't be a pitcher. Eventually if your goal is to stay in baseball you'll also have to be able to throw hard enough to generate interest. Once you're signed they'll tell you to how to pitch and only results will matter.
There was another important part of his question that I will give a good tip for other players that are hard throwers but not sure if they are pitching material. Tell the coach you can play 3B. If you can, this will open up a lot of oportunities to you that being a medium level pitcher will not.
What is cruising speed? My 13 yr. old can throw almost 80 but that is a fastball.Kids seem to be able to hit the fastball sometimes, but have a real hard time with the curve that he throws and it is slower.So,what is more important speed or the type of pitches?
Lambmom,
Cruising speed is the speed a pitcher normally throws at and can control his pitches. Typically a pitcher's cruising speed is about 4 or 5 mph less than his maximum speed.
For example, my son maxes out at about 70 mph, can throw hard somewhere around the strike zone at about 67 to 68 mph and cruises at about 65 mph. If we were to gun him in a game most of his fastballs would be at about 65 mph. We'd also see some fastballs at 67 and 68 and a few at 70 or below 65.
If a pitcher can locate his fastball, and can throw an off speed pitch for strikes then he's got the minimum necessary to be a pitcher. From there the harder he can throw and still locate the fastball and mix in that off speed pitch, the better.
Cruising speed is the speed a pitcher normally throws at and can control his pitches. Typically a pitcher's cruising speed is about 4 or 5 mph less than his maximum speed.
For example, my son maxes out at about 70 mph, can throw hard somewhere around the strike zone at about 67 to 68 mph and cruises at about 65 mph. If we were to gun him in a game most of his fastballs would be at about 65 mph. We'd also see some fastballs at 67 and 68 and a few at 70 or below 65.
If a pitcher can locate his fastball, and can throw an off speed pitch for strikes then he's got the minimum necessary to be a pitcher. From there the harder he can throw and still locate the fastball and mix in that off speed pitch, the better.
CaDad
Wow thats pretty quick for such a young age how big are those kids you're talking about.
I just finished up my summer season with the Westchester Wolfpack 18u team. I'm only 15, but i played up most of the guys r in college. I've had a few college scouts approach me (before learning my age) saying I'm mid-upper 70s in some tournaments weve been to. i was supposed to go to east cobb and several perfect game tourneys with another team but cracked a rib in june after being hit by a mike wanamaker fastball @ 93 mph... hes going to BC and was drafted by the pirates i think.
Just wanted to get a gauge of how my progress is versus other kids throughout the country. baseball in Westchester County, NY isnt exactly top notch, and I've always dreamed of Stanford/hopefully pros later on, and want to see me against everyone else... im a lhp and about 5'9" 158 by the way
Wow thats pretty quick for such a young age how big are those kids you're talking about.
I just finished up my summer season with the Westchester Wolfpack 18u team. I'm only 15, but i played up most of the guys r in college. I've had a few college scouts approach me (before learning my age) saying I'm mid-upper 70s in some tournaments weve been to. i was supposed to go to east cobb and several perfect game tourneys with another team but cracked a rib in june after being hit by a mike wanamaker fastball @ 93 mph... hes going to BC and was drafted by the pirates i think.
Just wanted to get a gauge of how my progress is versus other kids throughout the country. baseball in Westchester County, NY isnt exactly top notch, and I've always dreamed of Stanford/hopefully pros later on, and want to see me against everyone else... im a lhp and about 5'9" 158 by the way
I think it is too early to project. Let him get to HS first.
Also don't focus on the velocity, he'll do enough of it on his own. IMO your job is to protect his arm making sure that he doesn't throw too many innings for travel ball etc...doesn't go out and throw alot the day after he pitches (if at all) ice down etc...and that he has good mechanics.
The above with growth and maturity as well as building body strength and conditioning will put him in the right direction.
Also don't focus on the velocity, he'll do enough of it on his own. IMO your job is to protect his arm making sure that he doesn't throw too many innings for travel ball etc...doesn't go out and throw alot the day after he pitches (if at all) ice down etc...and that he has good mechanics.
The above with growth and maturity as well as building body strength and conditioning will put him in the right direction.
DadofPlayer
It really is too early to project... velocity isn't really the main concern, especially in high school. My summer team just beat a kid from North Carolina 8-2. Kid threw 95 tops and we lit him up (wood bat by the way) because that's all he had. 2 days later we faced a guy from Canada who hit 82 tops twice and he shut us out. Velocity is the most overrated thing in baseball.
Don't worry about the velocity focus on mechanics and arm strength. Your kid seems fine in his size, and velocity seems average. If all goes well he should be throwing in the 80s in high school. But really, you never know. You have to be smart, long toss builds arm strength the most probably. I was invited to take BP with the Yankees and long tossed with Sheffield for a few minutes. Easily the greatest thing for your arm, although you should definitely be smart about it cause I tried to keep up with Gary's distance and ended up with a sore arm that night. So be smart, and your son will be fine.
It really is too early to project... velocity isn't really the main concern, especially in high school. My summer team just beat a kid from North Carolina 8-2. Kid threw 95 tops and we lit him up (wood bat by the way) because that's all he had. 2 days later we faced a guy from Canada who hit 82 tops twice and he shut us out. Velocity is the most overrated thing in baseball.
Don't worry about the velocity focus on mechanics and arm strength. Your kid seems fine in his size, and velocity seems average. If all goes well he should be throwing in the 80s in high school. But really, you never know. You have to be smart, long toss builds arm strength the most probably. I was invited to take BP with the Yankees and long tossed with Sheffield for a few minutes. Easily the greatest thing for your arm, although you should definitely be smart about it cause I tried to keep up with Gary's distance and ended up with a sore arm that night. So be smart, and your son will be fine.
Josh H.,
The two hardest throwers are about 5'11" and 6'. One of them was the kid who won the US championship game in the LLWS last year, throwing most of his fastballs at 70-71 mph. He was 5'10" at the time.
The two hardest throwers are about 5'11" and 6'. One of them was the kid who won the US championship game in the LLWS last year, throwing most of his fastballs at 70-71 mph. He was 5'10" at the time.
My 13 year old was trying out for select team next summer (15U) for after HS freshman year. They had him on the gun at 72mph consistently but the thing that got the most interest was him hitting his spots at that speed. He has good fundamental mechanics but I am wondering what will the difference be once he has his first real year of baseball everyday at high school. Supposedly this is the year that everyone really improves dramatically. Is that true based on all the experience on this board? I am already very proud of what he has been able to accomplish. Can't wait to see what happens next.
1ByU-
At this point, it seems as though your son is fine. From your description he has nothing to worry about. As for development in different players, it happens at different times. I know people who were 5'9" and throwing 75 mph. at the age of 12 and are still 5'9" and throwing low-80's and they are seniors in high school. I myself began development from 7th to 8th grade (I am now in 10th). In 7th grade I threw maybe low-60's, 8th I threw low-70's. Now I pop 80, and have just started to lift weights (I am a lefty pitcher). I am not aware of the size of your son or where he is in delevopment, but from my past experiences, if your son continues to hit his spots and miz the ball in and out, up and down and changes speeds, he'll do just fine.
At this point, it seems as though your son is fine. From your description he has nothing to worry about. As for development in different players, it happens at different times. I know people who were 5'9" and throwing 75 mph. at the age of 12 and are still 5'9" and throwing low-80's and they are seniors in high school. I myself began development from 7th to 8th grade (I am now in 10th). In 7th grade I threw maybe low-60's, 8th I threw low-70's. Now I pop 80, and have just started to lift weights (I am a lefty pitcher). I am not aware of the size of your son or where he is in delevopment, but from my past experiences, if your son continues to hit his spots and miz the ball in and out, up and down and changes speeds, he'll do just fine.
I know this thread has been dead for a while, but ill give my input anyways. I went to a NC State Camp in early December for ages 13-18. Top Speed was 89 by a 6-3 Right Handed Senior. The 13 year olds were in the high 50's to low 60's at the fastest. I got the fastest speed for anyone 14. I hit 80 but that was 8 mph faster than any other 14's. Most were 70-72 and we were knowingly throwing for a gun, so I know these were max speeds. I think one 15 yr old hit 82. Most 14 and 15 yr olds were about the same max 14's (70-72) and 15's (71-74). Most of the kids at the camp were talented, and were there to show State what they had, not necessarily to learn. Im 5-8, but I think usually the bigger kids throw harder, but physical maturity matters alot.
its not hard you throw right now its how hard you throw it 3-4 years when you are a senior in hs, and 5-7 years when you are in college ready to get drafted
Thought I would put out an update. Its been 2 years since I posted on my brother when he was a sophomore and now he's a Freshman in College. But he's hitting 92,93 now so thats not bad for throwing mid 80's his sophomore year in High School.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
For all you young pitchers---don't worry about your velocity so much--be cocncerned with good mechanics, ball movement and pitch location---doesn't matter very much if you throw harder than the next guy but you dont get guys out
quote:Originally posted by J H:
DadofPlayer
Velocity is the most overrated thing in baseball.
Don't worry about the velocity focus on mechanics and arm strength.
With all due respect, this is a contradiction. It also sends the wrong message. Eventually, if you don't have velocity you will be cut. Maybe not from the high school team, but certainly at the college level. Sorry, you have to have velocity.
If you have proper mechanics and arm strength, you will have velocity. And the best way to develop arm strength is through long-toss.
If you young players want to throw faster, you need the arm speed. Throwing on a consistent basis to maximum distance (using the Jaeger program) and combining this with a good mechanical instruction and conditioning program is the way to go.
speed isn't always the most important thing while pitching or throwing from long distances. from what i have learned, there is mainly 2 strong things to look at if your pitching. 1st is control. is you can throw 95 and dont have control. youd be lucky if your better than somyone who throws 65 or so. the average complete speed whether your good or bad is about 66-67. 70 is a bit high for average. 75 is jv. and freshman throwing 80 mph IS possible but extremely difficult. people say as freshman"i could throw 85 to 87" thats urban legions and complete lies. i think the fastest freshman would top maybe 83 or so. with speed and control at your side, you will strike most people out.
quote:Originally posted by baseball pitching:
is you can throw 95 and dont have control. youd be lucky if your better than somyone who throws 65 or so.
baseball pitching, first of all.. welcome to HSBBW! But my goodness, you were kidding right?
Anyone that throws 95 must have some degree of mechanical refinement otherwise his arm would blow-out right quickly. I guarantee you, if you throw 95 any scout in his right mind would be all over you regardless if you couldn't find the strike zone with a pair of binoculars. They'll work on the strike zone part later.
Here's my point. Be obsessed with velocity. Maybe not at 14 but certainly at 16+. Outstanding velocity goes hand in hand with good mechanics. So it's a case of "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" argument. If you work on mechanics, your velocity will improve. The concepts are not mutually exclusive.
while i agree velocity is important. there are a lot of guy's that threw 95 that never made it.( not high school player's ).
getting guy's out is a pitchers job. do your job and you'll go far.
90's get you drafted, getting guy's out keeps you there. imho.
getting guy's out is a pitchers job. do your job and you'll go far.
90's get you drafted, getting guy's out keeps you there. imho.
Welcome BP:
Listen to BUM he is spot on.
My son just came off his freshmen season last year and I don't have my log book here at work, but from my memory. (Stalker)
Top Freshmen: Cruise 74-76; 78 Max (2 of them all season)
Ave Freshmen: 70-72 (league play top 1-2 kids on teams)
Others : 67-70
JV: Top one I saw 78-80 (82)
Ave: 75-76
I have heard that there were 1-2 freshmen kids in out county throwing over 80, but I never got a gun on them.
I always bring up the mcdsguy/HSBBW rule when velocity comes up "ask dad subtract 7" trust me it is surprisingly accurate.
Continue to work hard on velocity, it is the keys to the kingdom.
Listen to BUM he is spot on.
My son just came off his freshmen season last year and I don't have my log book here at work, but from my memory. (Stalker)
Top Freshmen: Cruise 74-76; 78 Max (2 of them all season)
Ave Freshmen: 70-72 (league play top 1-2 kids on teams)
Others : 67-70
JV: Top one I saw 78-80 (82)
Ave: 75-76
I have heard that there were 1-2 freshmen kids in out county throwing over 80, but I never got a gun on them.
I always bring up the mcdsguy/HSBBW rule when velocity comes up "ask dad subtract 7" trust me it is surprisingly accurate.
Continue to work hard on velocity, it is the keys to the kingdom.
Just for more information, not to make a point. My son is a 15 yr. old freshman. This fall on my Juggs, he started out in 1st inning throwing 78-79. His last two pitches (#72&73) were 81-82 for a strikeout. Took him out after that due to fall season pitch count. Take a couple mph off for Juggs vs. Stalker and he's around 80 for the fall. Hope you don't want to subtract 7 from that for "Daddy reading".
Very nice BUM, you hit the nail on the head. Believe it or not. I once had a 12 year old player that threw upper 70's, and was clocked in the AABC world series in Puerto Rico at 81 on several pitches with the Dallas Texans when he was still 12, granted it was a Jugs gun (hairdryer), but the kid threw hard as any 12 year old that have yet to see to this day.
The kid never played an inning of high school ball, his dad would take him out on game days and throw him 40-80 pitches before they ever got to the park, Dad's motto: Throw harder, never worked mechanics, dad had very little knowledge.
The kid developed elbow problems when he was 13. Took a year off from pitching. When he was 14 we used him in limited closing situations only, dad was not happy. Not pitching him enough. Been with me for seven years. I let him know his pitching workload would not change. He pulled the kid off the team, went to Little League, pitched every game till the end of the Summer, blew up his elbow, that was it.
Chalk one up for dear old dads!
The kid never played an inning of high school ball, his dad would take him out on game days and throw him 40-80 pitches before they ever got to the park, Dad's motto: Throw harder, never worked mechanics, dad had very little knowledge.
The kid developed elbow problems when he was 13. Took a year off from pitching. When he was 14 we used him in limited closing situations only, dad was not happy. Not pitching him enough. Been with me for seven years. I let him know his pitching workload would not change. He pulled the kid off the team, went to Little League, pitched every game till the end of the Summer, blew up his elbow, that was it.
Chalk one up for dear old dads!
I went back and read this thread and it certainly brought back some memories for me. The freshman are now freshman in college. The soph just completed his second year in milb. Man where does the time go?
The fresh rhp from my first post went to NC State as a corner inf / of / rhp. He was 88-91 for us his sr year. The fresh catcher went to UNC. The soph pitcher was drafted out of hs and is with Tampa at the A ball level. His sr year he as 90-93.
All three worked very hard. I was a lot better coach when we had them in our program.
The fresh rhp from my first post went to NC State as a corner inf / of / rhp. He was 88-91 for us his sr year. The fresh catcher went to UNC. The soph pitcher was drafted out of hs and is with Tampa at the A ball level. His sr year he as 90-93.
All three worked very hard. I was a lot better coach when we had them in our program.
I understand the motivation of 14 y.o. pitchers -- and fathers of 14 y.o. pitchers -- to want to know their son's velocity. I went through the same thought process myself with my son at that time. After all, these kids are looking to get a spot on the high school team, so they feel they need to know.
I found velocity very important in determining whom coaches pitch as freshmen in high school. When Bum, Jr. was a freshman, there was one kid that maybe threw 1-2 M.P.H. faster, and he was also a big kid (3-sport star). Bum, Jr.'s advantage was that he was a LHP--and had pretty good velocity as well, maybe 70-72. As the years went by, he worked very hard on velocity and became the ace of each school and Summer team he played on. And some of you know where he's at today with hard work. The big kid? He dropped out of baseball, blew out his knee playing basketball.. but that's another story.
If you're 14 y.o., or the parent of a 14 y.o., I will give you the advise I have given others: Velocity is not the show. It is the ticket to the show. You must be obsessed with velocity, but you must be equally obsessed with the art of pitching. Again, the concepts are not mutually exclusive. However, please don't think that, if you don't have superstar velocity at 14 y.o. you can't get it if you work your tail off. Some kids get it later. Some never get it. There's no rhyme nor reason to this thing.
So.. now that you know velocity is important, what are you going to do about it? How are you going to go get it?
I found velocity very important in determining whom coaches pitch as freshmen in high school. When Bum, Jr. was a freshman, there was one kid that maybe threw 1-2 M.P.H. faster, and he was also a big kid (3-sport star). Bum, Jr.'s advantage was that he was a LHP--and had pretty good velocity as well, maybe 70-72. As the years went by, he worked very hard on velocity and became the ace of each school and Summer team he played on. And some of you know where he's at today with hard work. The big kid? He dropped out of baseball, blew out his knee playing basketball.. but that's another story.
If you're 14 y.o., or the parent of a 14 y.o., I will give you the advise I have given others: Velocity is not the show. It is the ticket to the show. You must be obsessed with velocity, but you must be equally obsessed with the art of pitching. Again, the concepts are not mutually exclusive. However, please don't think that, if you don't have superstar velocity at 14 y.o. you can't get it if you work your tail off. Some kids get it later. Some never get it. There's no rhyme nor reason to this thing.
So.. now that you know velocity is important, what are you going to do about it? How are you going to go get it?
Just to give you a comparison to me who is a 14 year old freshmen in high school who is 5'll 140 pounds. I can throw about 80 mph mid to high 70s consitently. The thing about high school baseball is that speed isn't a huge factor because, the batters are sometimes bigger than you for instance seniors. You have to keep them off balance with off speed pitches with your fastball. But it is always fun to know how fast you throw especially if it is fast.
Just to add my two cents. I never put a radar gun on my son but last year another dad had one during the 13 year old all star tournament and had my son pretty consistanly in the 68mph range. My kid was/is pretty big and strong at that point I would say he was 5'9 155lbs. Now he is 5'11 and 165lbs but I don't think he is throwing as hard, as our pitching coach has him more focused on spots.
As a side note, in league play he is pretty fast compared to the other kids, but we went to some fairly high level tournaments in 2007 and 2008 and I would say he was a 6 or 7 on a scale one(slow) to ten(fast). In regional all-star games he is probably a 8.
As a side note, in league play he is pretty fast compared to the other kids, but we went to some fairly high level tournaments in 2007 and 2008 and I would say he was a 6 or 7 on a scale one(slow) to ten(fast). In regional all-star games he is probably a 8.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
14 yo average cruising speed would be about 65 mph. Average freshman pitcher (14 to 15yo) cruising speed would be about 70 mph. Average cruising speed for a good HS pitching prospect at 14 to 15 yo would be about 75 mph. That will usually get a freshman pitcher onto the JV assuming reasonable pitching ability to go along with the velocity. Cruising at 80 mph as a freshman would be a potential star. Cruising at 85 mph as a freshman is maybe one in the entire country each year.
Our highschool has an 8th grader(young 14) starting varsity and was REPORTEDLY throwing 82 at the start of the season.
It happens. When my son played 14U one kid who was 13U eligible cruised in the low 80's. He was 6'2". Robert Stock, now at USC hit 90 when he was fourteen. But this stuff is not close to normal.quote:Originally posted by tfox:quote:Originally posted by CADad:
14 yo average cruising speed would be about 65 mph. Average freshman pitcher (14 to 15yo) cruising speed would be about 70 mph. Average cruising speed for a good HS pitching prospect at 14 to 15 yo would be about 75 mph. That will usually get a freshman pitcher onto the JV assuming reasonable pitching ability to go along with the velocity. Cruising at 80 mph as a freshman would be a potential star. Cruising at 85 mph as a freshman is maybe one in the entire country each year.
Our highschool has an 8th grader(young 14) starting varsity and was REPORTEDLY throwing 82 at the start of the season.
I agree.Talking to people that know this kid,he works constantly on pitching.He sits at home and works with tools to build arm strength etc.
He is one of those rare kids that is just a great athlete(in all things sport) but he puts in the time to go with that naturall ability.
He is one of those rare kids that is just a great athlete(in all things sport) but he puts in the time to go with that naturall ability.
My son, a freshman LHP is 6'3" 190 lbs. He 'cruises' at 82-83. He tops at 86-87. He's also thick as a brick. His favorite word is 'what' pronounced wwwhhhhattt????
He doesn't take out the garbage until he's reminded at LEAST three times. He has a 4.0+ GPA (I've lost faith in the school system).
Personally, I think a lot of this measurement stuff is over rated. You all probably have kids who can mow the lawn or take out the garbage the FIRST time they're asked. That's outstanding. You have a lot less work to do than I.
Some freshmen are 5'2" on their way to 6'3". Their velocity will be different than my kid, who is 6'3" on his way to 6'3". Probably not as much upside for mine.
Keep developing them and let them bloom.
If you can get them to take out the garbage or mow the lawn along the way, more power to you!
He doesn't take out the garbage until he's reminded at LEAST three times. He has a 4.0+ GPA (I've lost faith in the school system).
Personally, I think a lot of this measurement stuff is over rated. You all probably have kids who can mow the lawn or take out the garbage the FIRST time they're asked. That's outstanding. You have a lot less work to do than I.
Some freshmen are 5'2" on their way to 6'3". Their velocity will be different than my kid, who is 6'3" on his way to 6'3". Probably not as much upside for mine.
Keep developing them and let them bloom.
If you can get them to take out the garbage or mow the lawn along the way, more power to you!
A friend of mine entered high school at 5'6" hoping to make the freshman team. He graduated from an SEC school as a 6'4" All-American. He made it as far as AAA. He said in high school it never crossed his mind he would become a pro pitcher.quote:Some freshmen are 5'2" on their way to 6'3".
quote:Originally posted by JMoff:
My son, a freshman LHP is 6'3" 190 lbs. He 'cruises' at 82-83. He tops at 86-87. He's also thick as a brick. His favorite word is 'what' pronounced wwwhhhhattt????
He doesn't take out the garbage until he's reminded at LEAST three times. He has a 4.0+ GPA (I've lost faith in the school system).
Personally, I think a lot of this measurement stuff is over rated. You all probably have kids who can mow the lawn or take out the garbage the FIRST time they're asked. That's outstanding. You have a lot less work to do than I.
Some freshmen are 5'2" on their way to 6'3". Their velocity will be different than my kid, who is 6'3" on his way to 6'3". Probably not as much upside for mine.
Keep developing them and let them bloom.
If you can get them to take out the garbage or mow the lawn along the way, more power to you!
Great post,I can still put a hand on the backside of mine and will but it still takes 3-4 times to get him to get in the shower or take out the garbage.He is a black belt and I suspect in about 2 years,he may be able to take me behind the wood shed.
I keep telling him,the day he can whip my but is the day he can/will move out. 
As a freshamn I was in the high 60's- low 70's. This year I was in the high 70's-low 80's. At this pace I can be throwing 100+ mph by senior year!
I can dream, can't I?
I can dream, can't I?
As I grew my father would joke there will be a day where respect sets in or he would be in physical trouble with me. One day in high school I forgot about respect and took a shot at my dad. Before I knew what hit me I was on the floor wrapped up like a pretzel. He inflicted just enough pain as to not injure me. My dad glared at me and laughed in a not funny way, "You just chose to mess with a WWII Marine vet trained in hand to hand combat. Bad decision"quote:Great post,I can still put a hand on the backside of mine and will but it still takes 3-4 times to get him to get in the shower or take out the garbage.He is a black belt and I suspect in about 2 years,he may be able to take me behind the wood shed. I keep telling him,the day he can whip my but is the day he can/will move out
Even though I knew my father was a great athlete, I couldn't picture a guy who put on a suit five days a week and drank martinis being that tough. Maybe they were the greatest generation for what they lived through. There was never another issue with respect.
