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What's the best BBCOR bat?

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CR Coach RoyMember
What I have heard from the other coaches in my area is that none of the BBCOR bats are very good this year. Someone actually said that his team prefers the cheap bat over the $300 bat.
I did speak to Mr. Anderson at Anderson Bat Company and he told me that he will have a BBCOR bat, that will be legal for beyond 2011, available in about 10 weeks.
Not sure on price point, but based on the prices of his softball bats I would expect it to be on the higher end of the spectrum.
I have swung ABC softball bats for years and love the performance and customer service - knowing Mr. Anderson's personal expectations of his products these new bats should be the best on the market.
Good luck with the changes this year - for 2011 my team is buying the DeMarini Pro Maple. At least I know they will be legal for a little while. Smile
im647fim647f1,000+ posts
I have two boys playing HS baseball this year, they tryed out several before making me buy each a different bat. One loves the Voodoo while the other went with the Omaha. I'm told the Voodoo is more end weighted. The Voodoo also seems to be picking up a little more pop. For almost $600.00 I just hope they last.
H Hawghauler10+ posts
Tuesday it happened. The umpire would not allow our team to use their waiver list bats because he didn't have an up to date list. But the other team had CF4s and was allowed to use them. I showed up with the list of waivered bats and the coach asked me to explain to the ump between innings. That was about the 3rd or 4th. He then allowed the bats. By that time our players were already used to the BBCOR bats and didn't change. We still won 10 to 4.
It just shows that the coaches have to be prepared.

Bottom line is I don't know if the CF4s or the BBCORs made a difference.
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BBfamBBfam500+ posts
In our game yesterday, my son swears the other team was using non-waivered BESR. No one complained so the game went on. He is pretty up to date on this stuff and was pitching so he was up close and personal. Hoping it wasn't true as I wasn't paying attention to the batters (it is hard to tell when you are peeking through your fingers because you are so nervous).
L laflippin100+ posts
Lefty,

What you may be seeing here is really the power of compelling music and suggestive imagery intended to convince the viewer that there is something very special about the TPX Z1000.. some special "something" that sets it apart from all the other BBCOR 0.50 metal bats.

The problem is, "BBCOR 0.50" defines a very specific performance limit for the bat itself...but there is virtually no limit to the advertising genius of sports equipment makers. As long as they don't overtly lie to you and say their bat really performs better than the BBCOR limitation, they can imply anything they want about the product with driving heavy metal rock music, a great paint job, and a cool name.

In a market where the customers are desperately looking for every possible source of advantage, no matter how small it may be, sports equipment marketers understand very well what sells: Imagery and the power of suggestion. Oh, and don't forget... paid testimonials from coaches whose baseball programs already have sweetheart contracts with the company.

Unfortunately for the customers, we are used to years of conditioned ideas that the bat model does have a profound effect on performance--because that happened to be very true before "BBCOR 0.50".

Even though BBCOR 0.50 limitation is the legal standard, you shouldn't necessarily expect metal bat makers to take the lustre off of their advertising campaigns.
SdleftySdlefty500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by laflippin:
Lefty,

What you may be seeing here is really the power of compelling music and suggestive imagery intended to convince the viewer that there is something very special about the TPX Z1000.. some special "something" that sets it apart from all the other BBCOR 0.50 metal bats.

The problem is, "BBCOR 0.50" defines a very specific performance limit for the bat itself...but there is virtually no limit to the advertising genius of sports equipment makers. As long as they don't overtly lie to you and say their bat really performs better than the BBCOR limitation, they can imply anything they want about the product with driving heavy metal rock music, a great paint job, and a cool name.

In a market where the customers are desperately looking for every possible source of advantage, no matter how small it may be, sports equipment marketers understand very well what sells: Imagery and the power of suggestion. Oh, and don't forget... paid testimonials from coaches whose baseball programs already have sweetheart contracts with the company.

Unfortunately for the customers, we are used to years of conditioned ideas that the bat model does have a profound effect on performance--because that happened to be very true before "BBCOR 0.50".

Even though BBCOR 0.50 limitation is the legal standard, you shouldn't necessarily expect metal bat makers to take the lustre off of their advertising campaigns.


My sons and I having been swinging LS for a long time and the products have never let us down. We love LS. I understand the LS marketing of their product, but my intent was to let you all know of a new BBCOR product hitting the market. Thats all...
L laflippin100+ posts
I don't have any arguments with personal loyalty to brands. Bat companies are businesses and they have every right to try to promote and maintain loylaty to their products. As long as they are not actually lying about their products I don't have a big issue with the approaches that various metal bat companies use to try to differentiate their products from everyone else's.

I'm in favor of open discussion of all this stuff, so that people can decide rationally for themselves how best to respond to the BBCOR changeover.
SdleftySdlefty500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by laflippin:
I don't have any arguments with personal loyalty to brands. Bat companies are businesses and they have every right to try to promote and maintain loylaty to their products. As long as they are not actually lying about their products I don't have a big issue with the approaches that various metal bat companies use to try to differentiate their products from everyone else's.

I'm in favor of open discussion of all this stuff, so that people can decide rationally for themselves how best to respond to the BBCOR changeover.


I think like any thing else - keep it simple. Find a BBCOR that works for you and go play the game. From what I've seen the athletes have made the transition to this new bat standard. New models will continue to come out just like in the past.
L laflippin100+ posts
Not so much an option at most high-profile D1's because they usually have a contractual obligation to use specific manufacturer's equipment. These programs get significant benefits from manufacturers as result of exclusivity contracts.

I've seen a few players using wood at JUCO level and HS now, but not a big number. It's hard to do things that are considered radical in baseball.
H Hawghauler10+ posts
New additions to the Waiver list.
LS has their 2009 Triton added.
I got a deal on the LS Triton (2010) and now a lot of the guys on the team is using my son's bat.

Watched Florida State and Boston College this weekend. Florida State used LS Omaha and Z1000 and
Boston College used Voodoos. No homeruns and I saw no real advantage with any bat.
They interviewed a player after the game and he said power numbers are way down at all schools.
L laflippin100+ posts
I attended Univ of San Francisco Dons vs Univ of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns yesterday--terrific game, ended 4-0 Dons over Cajuns, 3 hits and 1 error for the Cajuns vs 6 hits and 0 errors for the Dons.

No home runs, no triples. Only 3 or 4 balls were hit very deep to the outfield, and those went for fly-outs. There were two line-drive doubles, the rest of the hits were singles. One of the singles was a "swinging bunt" that caught everybody off guard.

The combined 9 hits in the game all came from metal BBCORs of course, since both schools have agreements with manufacturers, but I'm convinced they could've done just as well with wood.
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L laflippin100+ posts
Yesterday afternoon I attended the Dante Bennedetti Classic at AT&T Park, between University of San Francisco Dons and San Jose State....wow! The Dons put up 17 hits on the way to a 10-0 rout of SJSU, including a home run into the LF bleachers by Graeme Agate. There were some very well-placed liners for doubles and lots of sharply hit singles that found holes in the infield. I believe there even a couple of legitimate triples off the Dons' bats.

Looked like the good 'ole days, except for SJSU, which mustered only 3 hits off of outstanding USF pitching. It was a little surprising, though...SJSU is a good hitting team (I think they beat both of UCLA's top pitchers early in non-conference games) but they made a ton of outs on medium-deep fly-balls.
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B BaseballHundredsMember
From what I've been using which is the Easton Surge. When BBCor wasn't being used I was the DeMarini guy. loved them. But since they've went to BBcor I have heard about complaints on some of the Vexxum's and Voodoos breaking. Personally if your going with DeMarinin. Practice with wood cause I've notice that the BBcor bats that have broken are by the handled with indicates that hit the ball of the plastic part of the first piece.

DeMarini and Easton are the best BBcor bats out there. Just with DeMarini you have to really get the bat head around on inside pitches now since first piece of the bats are weaker. In my perspective the Easton Surge has the better durability but also the best pop. Most guys in College I see when they used the BESr bats they hit about 20 to 30 homeruns. then those guys used DeMarini's are down to about 10-15 range. They guys that use Easton surge are still in that 20-30 homerun range.
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